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04-11-2019, 06:36 PM
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Payload and tongue weight
In the near future we intend to upgrade from the Tundra (lousy payload) to a Ram 2500 with 3,380 lbs of payload. The wife is not crazy about 5th wheels for a variety of reasons so we will be staying with a TT. I understand pin weights but I was curious as to how much tongue weight a factory equipped HD truck is allowed. I see the numbers on the tech spec, about Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. of 14,410 lbs but do I need to be concerned about a max tongue weight?
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04-11-2019, 06:43 PM
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As long as your total payload including the trailer tongue weight does not exceed 3380lbs your good.
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04-11-2019, 06:58 PM
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I wish I had 3380 of payload; i'd be towing in the next millennia.
Safe and happy travels.
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04-11-2019, 07:22 PM
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What is your hitch receiver rated for? That is one possible maximum. Another is your rear axle rating? Unless you go for a truly massive trailer, you should be fine. Do the arithmetic anyway. 15% of GVWR yields a quick, conservative estimate.
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04-11-2019, 07:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cahriad
In the near future we intend to upgrade from the Tundra (lousy payload) to a Ram 2500 with 3,380 lbs of payload. The wife is not crazy about 5th wheels for a variety of reasons so we will be staying with a TT. I understand pin weights but I was curious as to how much tongue weight a factory equipped HD truck is allowed. I see the numbers on the tech spec, about Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. of 14,410 lbs but do I need to be concerned about a max tongue weight?
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It should say on the hitch . 1,400 lbs seems to be close to a max with wdh
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04-11-2019, 07:43 PM
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Blue Ox can go to 2000 lbs
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04-11-2019, 07:46 PM
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As an example, the truck in my signature is rated to tow 12,200 and the max hitch rated tongue weight is 1250 with a WDH. If the trailer I'm towing has a 15% tongue weight at 1250, the trailer would only be 8,333 pounds. And, if it had an 11% tongue weight at 1250, the trailer could be 11,363
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04-11-2019, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CurtPutnam
Blue Ox can go to 2000 lbs
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Even with a factory hitch rating substantially less than that?
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04-12-2019, 05:21 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cahriad
In the near future we intend to upgrade from the Tundra (lousy payload) to a Ram 2500 with 3,380 lbs of payload. The wife is not crazy about 5th wheels for a variety of reasons so we will be staying with a TT. I understand pin weights but I was curious as to how much tongue weight a factory equipped HD truck is allowed. I see the numbers on the tech spec, about Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. of 14,410 lbs but do I need to be concerned about a max tongue weight?
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Yes, you need to be concerned about tongue weight as there is a max weight limit on the reciever...the truck also has a limit.
What year truck?
I nearly bought a 2018 Ram 2500. I remember a maxium tongue weight of 1800lbs with the factory class V receiver.
The HD Chevy factory class V receiver has a limit of 2000lbs tongue weight and doesn't require a WDH all they way up to the limit.
I don't remember the numbers on the Ford as I ruled that one out early on in the shopping process.
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04-12-2019, 09:51 AM
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From what I could see in Googling, the RAM truck tongue weight is determined by the class of hitch it has on it. A class 5 hitch is rated at 1,800 lbs, which most likely would be your limit.
The chart for the RAM truck is: https://www.ramtrucks.com/BodyBuilde...ficationId=390
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04-12-2019, 10:02 AM
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Have you had the TH fully loaded through a scale so you know what your actual TW is?
I would take the new truck through a scale as well to verify the payload sticker rating. In some cases, like ours, the actual capacity can be a fair bit less especially if you've added some accessories.
It's always a good idea regardless to go to a scale so you know your actual numbers.
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04-12-2019, 10:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigH
The HD Chevy factory class V receiver has a limit of 2000lbs tongue weight and doesn't require a WDH all they way up to the limit.
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Even though I was told I wouldn't need the WDH on my Chevy 2500HD, I used it anyways.
Wish I had kept my WDH setup as I'm thinking about selling the 5'ver and going back to a bumper pull TT.
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04-12-2019, 07:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cahriad
In the near future we intend to upgrade from the Tundra (lousy payload) to a Ram 2500 with 3,380 lbs of payload.
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Please let me know where you find a 2500 Ram with 3380 payload. Most top out at just above 2000 lbs in a 2500 crewcab 4x4 and bells with whistles. Are you looking at a stripped down regular cab maybe?
IMO, a 2500 with Cummins can safely pull most bumper hitched trailers with adequate payload for gear. I have a 2017 that I just posted today on craiglist Indianapolis. I'm moving up to a 3500. I can make you a great deal on a great truck. Not sure if its ok to link my ad on here, but if you are interested, look on CL Indy for 2017 Ram Laramie.... or pm me here.
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04-12-2019, 07:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JJaxon
Please let me know where you find a 2500 Ram with 3380 payload. Most top out at just above 2000 lbs in a 2500 crewcab 4x4 and bells with whistles. Are you looking at a stripped down regular cab maybe?
IMO, a 2500 with Cummins can safely pull most bumper hitched trailers with adequate payload for gear. I have a 2017 that I just posted today on craiglist Indianapolis. I'm moving up to a 3500. I can make you a great deal on a great truck. Not sure if its ok to link my ad on here, but if you are interested, look on CL Indy for 2017 Ram Laramie.... or pm me here.
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04-12-2019, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cahriad
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Are you looking at the Ram website payload numbers or have you looked at a specific truck and its payload sticker that’s on the B pillar? Don’t trust the website, always confirm payload capacity for each truck you look at by checking the payload capacity on the tire info placard.
Not saying the payload you’re after doesn’t exist as I know it does, but actual payload varies by truck config and options. Just want to make sure you don’t assume the website applies to all trucks of a given trim and config.
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04-12-2019, 09:43 PM
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I know we're talking Rams on here but for reference my '16 F250 XLT with the 6.2L, 4x4, crewcab, shortbox has a payload sticker at 2,766. Pretty healthy payload for a steel body truck. I know the same configuration in a '17+ with an aluminum body is closer to 3,200. It can be done, but like others have said, with a gas engine.
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04-12-2019, 10:15 PM
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You better look at the sticker on the driver door jam to determine payload. My experience in looking at Ram 2500's is that their payload tends to be well below the number you quoted.
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04-13-2019, 07:41 AM
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Went to the auto show last week and saw these two beauties... first thing I did was look at the payload sticker.
Big Horn with just over 3k payload and Laramie with 2.7k payload.
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04-13-2019, 08:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by myredracer
Have you had the TH fully loaded through a scale so you know what your actual TW is?
I would take the new truck through a scale as well to verify the payload sticker rating. In some cases, like ours, the actual capacity can be a fair bit less especially if you've added some accessories.
It's always a good idea regardless to go to a scale so you know your actual numbers.
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No offense here, but I've seen many people post...."run the truck and trailer thru the scales to get your actual weights." The problem is....he hasn't purchased the truck yet and is still looking. I've never found a dealer that would let me test drive a truck and hook up my TT to it, take it to a scale and have it all weighed.
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04-13-2019, 08:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief T
Went to the auto show last week and saw these two beauties... first thing I did was look at the payload sticker.
Big Horn with just over 3k payload and Laramie with 2.7k payload.
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Those payloads are amazing. Assume they are 2500's. My 2008 3500 RAM dually has a payload sticker of 2,383.
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