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Old 02-11-2020, 07:45 PM   #121
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Yup! The people and the dog and everything I put in the truck are included in the cargo...LOL. 8000 lbs is a serious over estimate because it feels that way when my wife gets done packing...LOL. The real weight is probably closer to 6500 lbs. The dry weight of the FR Surveyor 251RKS is listed around 5700 and the gross is about 7700. see the trailer load sticker.

The truck is safe and I'm within my weight limits with the notable exception of the two or three times a year I might pick up a ton of dirt, gravel, or sand from the quarry that's 2 or so miles from my house. Gimme your phone number and I'll let you know when I'm going to the from the quarry so you don't get on the road. LOL....
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Old 02-11-2020, 09:04 PM   #122
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Could someone please provide an authoritative engineering/regulatory/scientific reference or site showing why, with a modern weight distributing hitch in place, tongue weight (such weight being present otherwise in the absence of a wdh) directly applies to or deducts from payload capacity, assuming again that a wdh is used and present? From the videos I have seen of the effects of a wdh, the tongue weight does not appear to effectively be placed entirely on the tow vehicle, so I would love to see some truly scientific discussion. and how does SAE tow rating discuss the effects of a WDH?
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I have followed this thread since its beginning and feel it has run its course and needs to be locked. It has become divisive and not helpful anymore.
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Now 866 lbs payload is a bunch, I will stay with my RAM 3500 with 6591 lbs of payload
The 866 is for people in countries that never put a man on the moon. It is a unit know as the kilogram. Right next to it is the preferred unit of measurement...pounds. My payload is 1910 pounds.
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Could someone please provide an authoritative engineering/regulatory/scientific reference or site showing why, with a modern weight distributing hitch in place, tongue weight (such weight being present otherwise in the absence of a wdh) directly applies to or deducts from payload capacity, assuming again that a wdh is used and present? From the videos I have seen of the effects of a wdh, the tongue weight does not appear to effectively be placed entirely on the tow vehicle, so I would love to see some truly scientific discussion. and how does SAE tow rating discuss the effects of a WDH?
I keep things simple and look a axle weight ratings, GVWR and GCWR. If all of those are good, I am good.
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