Payload Capacity May Be A Game Changer!

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by bikendan

I have a 2014 4x4 SCREW 3.5 Ecoboost and it has a payload capacity of 1828lbs.
Must have a bling trim level.

I don't know, I was just going by the Ford offical towing guide for 2014, I have no personal experience with the 2014.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1571885845401

[DieselDrax]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

I don't know, I was just going by the Ford offical towing guide for 2014, I have no personal experience with the 2014.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1571885845401

That’s not total payload, you’re looking at max slide-in camper payload capacity which assumes a passenger in every seat. This is called out in the doc you linked.

[bikendan]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

I don't know, I was just going by the Ford offical towing guide for 2014, I have no personal experience with the 2014.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1571885845401

As Diesel said, youre looking at the wrong numbers.
Payload Capacity for towing, is individualized for how each vehicle is spec'd and optioned.
I thought you were quoting numbers from actual payload stickers.

[Palinduff]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

Nope the payload of a 2015 4x4 supercrew EcoBoost 3.5 is 1750 pounds and has a GVWR of 7650 pounds, at least my brother's 2015 does.
According to this Ford PDF it is correct
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...li0gjdBuCRXwP6

Oops, I am mistaken, my GVWR is actually 7850, for some reason I thought it was 7650, but my payload is 2440. I do have the 4800lb axles though. Is that GVWR and 1750 from his yellow sticker or from the PDF?

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by Palinduff

Oops, I am mistaken, my GVWR is actually 7850, for some reason I thought it was 7650, but my payload is 2440. I do have the 4800lb axles though. Is that GVWR and 1750 from his yellow sticker or from the PDF?

I mistyped or just went with what you said. 7850 is correct. Point being it is only 350 pounds less than the 2014 but the equivalent 2015 is a good 700 pounds lighter so the 2015 has 350 pounds more payload available. Thar number is from the pdf, my brother's sticker is over 2000 but I don't have it right in front of me. As pointed out the number includes more passengers but at least it's an official numbers, apples to apples comparison

[Palinduff]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

I mistyped or just went with what you said. 7850 is correct. Point being it is only 350 pounds less than the 2014 but the equivalent 2015 is a good 700 pounds lighter so the 2015 has 350 pounds more payload available. Thar number is from the pdf, my brother's sticker is over 2000 but I don't have it right in front of me. As pointed out the number includes more passengers but at least it's an official numbers, apples to apples comparison

If his GVWR is 7850 then I’m sure he has the HD Payload package which I didn’t think was available in 2015. PDF numbers are not truck specific and passengers don’t matter. What is his rear axle rated for.

[W5CI]

that is why I bought 1 ton Dully 6591 LB payload Cap.

[Larry0071]

Originally Posted by 45RPM

We have a 2018 Mini Lite 2509S. Tongue weight of 800# (weighed). DW & I weigh aprox. 350# (no pets!). So we're at 1150# right off the bat. If we buy a truck with the optional 36 cal fuel tank, then + 288#s for gas = 1438#!! That's WITHOUT luggage, or any cargo! I guess I'll have to find an F150 with the max tow package because I'm not buying an F250.

-Rich

Originally Posted by bikendan

45, I also have a 2014 F150 4x4 SCREW 3.5 Ecoboost. It has a payload capacity of 1828lbs.
BUT mine has the XLT trim level and the Max Tow package.
I'm guessing you have a higher trim level, like a Platinum or Lariat and you may not have the Max Tow package. The higher trim levels add weight for all the bling and comfort features.
Because I was well aware of payload capacity being more important than towing capacity, I spent 2 years searching for the right truck to replace my Avalanche. I had hoped to find one with the Heavy Duty Payload package but never found a used one.
I saw many crewcab trucks with low payload capacities, mainly due to having the higher trim levels. The worst were the Rams and Tundras.
After a 2 year search, I found my current truck, in the color I wanted.

I got bored reading this, but I did get this far and can share what I have.

2019 3.5L King Ranch Crew/6.5' bed, maxed out for towing, loaded with every possible option known to man including the automatic taint tickler (massage seats).....

I also have the empty front and rear fender arch height labelled into my door jams so that I can load the trailer and then go grab the tape measurer out of the drivers door pocket.

No doubt, as you option up a truck.... You drop in payload. Glass roof, seats that rub your back and bum, AC in the seats, 102 speakers with a 10,000 watt B&O amplifier, tailgate steps, electric side steps... and on and on. Every option added is a subtraction from the base model payload. Death by 1,000 slices.

[babock]

Originally Posted by Larry0071

I got bored reading this, but I did get this far and can share what I have.

2019 3.5L King Ranch Crew/6.5' bed, maxed out for towing, loaded with every possible option known to man including the automatic taint tickler (massage seats).....

I also have the empty front and rear fender arch height labelled into my door jams so that I can load the trailer and then go grab the tape measurer out of the drivers door pocket.

No doubt, as you option up a truck.... You drop in payload. Glass roof, seats that rub your back and bum, AC in the seats, 102 speakers with a 10,000 watt B&O amplifier, tailgate steps, electric side steps... and on and on. Every option added is a subtraction from the base model payload. Death by 1,000 slices.

Your sig says 1680 payload but your sticker says 1548!

[Dave Lyon]

Originally Posted by 45RPM

The dealer provided me with the curb weight. I'll have to go back to him and ask for the source.

-Rich

I'd be concerned that several Ford dealers are telling people that the weight is per tire...…...that's frigging scary.

[Larry0071]

Originally Posted by babock

Your sig says 1680 payload but your sticker says 1548!

I need to update that. Here is another fun "shocker"... when ordering the truck, your asking about this mysterious payload thingy.... so the fine folks at the dealer tell you a payload based out of some chart on some Ford website. So you think that the $74,000 MSRP truck that you special ordered is 1680 lbs, because they told you this and they even show you on the screen that this is your specs on your order build out. Sweet. You know what you are getting.

Not so fast buddy....

Apparently that is some kind of guestimate? A couple months goes by and you get a call that your amazing new truck is in, your happy as a lark! Lets go grab this thing and start getting the ceramic on it before dust touches that dead sexy red! And there you see... The guestimate is not really based on fact.

Here is another cool one. My Ram, if you go to the RAM towing website and input my VIN, it shows that my specific VIN has a higher payload than the door shows. If you to the site https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html and enter my VIN, I get a 1,200 lb payload. If you open my door I get a 1,075 payload. I like the 1,200 story better, I think I will consider that one the truth

[babock]

Originally Posted by Larry0071

I need to update that. Here is another fun "shocker"... when ordering the truck, your asking about this mysterious payload thingy.... so the fine folks at the dealer tell you a payload based out of some chart on some Ford website. So you think that the $74,000 MSRP truck that you special ordered is 1680 lbs, because they told you this and they even show you on the screen that this is your specs on your order build out. Sweet. You know what you are getting.

Not so fast buddy....

Apparently that is some kind of guestimate? A couple months goes by and you get a call that your amazing new truck is in, your happy as a lark! Lets go grab this thing and start getting the ceramic on it before dust touches that dead sexy red! And there you see... The guestimate is not really based on fact.

Here is another cool one. My Ram, if you go to the RAM towing website and input my VIN, it shows that my specific VIN has a higher payload than the door shows. If you to the site https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html and enter my VIN, I get a 1,200 lb payload. If you open my door I get a 1,075 payload. I like the 1,200 story better, I think I will consider that one the truth

When I ordered my truck, I made sure I didn't add the sunroof, electric steps and the tailgate step. The sunroof for both the 100# savings and that I didn't want to deal with the leaks so many people have with them.

[Girtski]

Originally Posted by bikendan

45RPM, if you want a F150 with the HDPP(it comes with Max Tow package), you almost certainly have order one. There weren't many made and rarely does a used one come up for sale. I'm sure it's because those that own one, love it.

I disagree. I have a 2018 with Max Trailer Tow package. It does not have HDPP. That was a different option which would have taken me from the 3:55 to a 3:73 and added 20" tires. It also changes the springs (confirmed with the spring engineer) and the programming for the EPAS. It was rumored to have a different frame but I could not get verification on that.

I spent several days riding around with my camper and 3 un-named Ford engineers and a very nice guy from Blue Ox trying to figure out why my truck wouldn't safely haul my trailer. They were at a loss. I now have my blue ox with 2 friction sway control bars which make it almost tolerable.

I'm kinda stuck with mine unless I want to take a 20K hit on a trade.

[babock]

Originally Posted by Girtski

I disagree. I have a 2018 with Max Trailer Tow package. It does not have HDPP.

Yes but if you get HDPP, it automatically has the Max Tow package which is exactly what he said.

The frame size varies. The HDPP always has the 0.11" rails but some of the MaxTow have that size as well. Depends on which model you get.

[michvhf]

Originally Posted by Larry0071

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Here is another cool one. My Ram, if you go to the RAM towing website and input my VIN, it shows that my specific VIN has a higher payload than the door shows. If you to the site https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html and enter my VIN, I get a 1,200 lb payload. If you open my door I get a 1,075 payload. I like the 1,200 story better, I think I will consider that one the truth

That site's screwed up. It says my 2015 RAM 3500's payload is 0.0 lbs and has less towing capacity than my 97 RAM 2500.

[ColtarKDM]

Originally Posted by 45RPM

We have a 2018 Mini Lite 2509S. Tongue weight of 800# (weighed). DW & I weigh aprox. 350# (no pets!). So we're at 1150# right off the bat. If we buy a truck with the optional 36 cal fuel tank, then + 288#s for gas = 1438#!! That's WITHOUT luggage, or any cargo! I guess I'll have to find an F150 with the max tow package because I'm not buying an F250.

-Rich

Actually, you would want a truck with the "max payload" option.

Khris

[bikendan]

Originally Posted by ColtarKDM

Actually, you would want a truck with the "max payload" option.

Khris

You're mixing up two different F150 options.

1. Max Tow package
2. Heavy Duty Payload package

The HDPP is the one with the higher payload capacity, over 2000lbs.
HDPP option also includes the Max Tow package.

[mxtreme30]

Originally Posted by Larry0071

I got bored reading this, but I did get this far and can share what I have.

2019 3.5L King Ranch Crew/6.5' bed, maxed out for towing, loaded with every possible option known to man including the automatic taint tickler (massage seats).....

I also have the empty front and rear fender arch height labelled into my door jams so that I can load the trailer and then go grab the tape measurer out of the drivers door pocket.

No doubt, as you option up a truck.... You drop in payload. Glass roof, seats that rub your back and bum, AC in the seats, 102 speakers with a 10,000 watt B&O amplifier, tailgate steps, electric side steps... and on and on. Every option added is a subtraction from the base model payload. Death by 1,000 slices.

NP! Just search thru the forum and find a weight sticker you like then print it off and stick it on your truck! Problem solved!

[TheGrants]

Super happy that my truck purchase research included this forum. After hearing things from salesmen at a few dealerships I was second guessing what I understood to be the limiting factor: payload as per the door sticker and not brochures. Reading posts here reinforced that.

We knew the trailer (>900# tongue) we wanted and the math said a F150 without the HDPP would be pushing GVWR if the DW and I were fully clothed. 4th time lucky and the sales guy understood and found me 3 with the HDPP within 500 km of my home. Not many of them out there.

Long story short, I got enough truck (tool) for the task. Payload as per sticker is 2418#. A 3/4 ton would obviously provide a better towing experience but I think my “heavy half” hits the sweet spot for my daily commute and part time towing needs.

After visiting a few of the related threads on this forum it is clear to me that a few of you guys are very generous with your advice. Very much appreciated.

[JerryS]

Originally Posted by 45RPM

I have been reading this forum for the past year and have followed the advice of reading/following the "TIRE AND LOADING INFORMATION" sticker when it comes to payload/cargo capacity. What weight is this sticker referring to?? Does this mean that this F150 can only carry 1404 pounds??? My Buick Enclave's sticker has a higher number than that! Can I carry more weight in my Enclave than in an F150?

I have asked several Ford dealers about this sticker and the consensus is that the weight number listed is PER TIRE. Several Ford dealers said they are asking Ford Motor Co about this, but none have heard back.

Ford's website says: "Base Curb weight + Cargo Weight + Passenger weight = Gross Vehicle Weight" Furthermore, it goes on to say: ""Payload is the combined maximum allowable weight of cargo and passengers that the truck is designed to carry. It is the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating minus the base curb weight"!

GVWR = 7200
Curb weight = 5586
Payload = 1614 (not 1404!)

In some instances, I've noticed a greater difference between the math method of Payload vs the Tire & Loading Sticker!

If 1404# is the max that someone could carry in their F150, I would think that there are thousands of "overloaded" F150's out there.

-Rich

I have not yet found anyway to determine the "curb" weight of a vehicle without actually weighing the vehicle. Unless the dealer is willing to weigh it the dealer has no idea. I do not think any manufacturer weighs the vehicle coming off the line and puts the weight on the sticker. Unfortunately, unless the dealer will allow you to weigh the vehicle before purchase you take pot luck. Best you can do is come up with a approximation of curb weight