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Old 07-24-2020, 12:06 PM   #41
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Just saying...........
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Old 07-24-2020, 03:32 PM   #42
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I was an Insurance Agency Owner for 20 years and never in my entire career did I ever hear of anyone getting ticketed for driving overweight in Personal vehicle. Ticketed for driving while stupid? Yup.

Lawyers? They can sue you because they don't like your looks. So what?

The question is; can they prevail in a Court of Law.

For driving 'overweight' first off, you gotta show me the Law and the penalty that says you can't do it. Then you gotta prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the driver/owner/operator KNEW he/she was overweght. Good luck with that one.

Please, someone show me where it applies to personal vehicles. To Commercial Vehicles? Oh yeah. All day long. They're required to know if they're overweight.

Operating an unsafe vehicle is certainly against the law. But I've seen Billy Bob towing Jim Ed with a jump rope going right past a Cop. So have all of you.

Not to mention lumber hanging ten feet out the back of Joe's trunk leaving Home Depot.

Please, guys and gals. Leave the lawyers out of this.

I blame OJ. Ever since that ridiculous trial on TV, everybody's a latrine lawyer.

Give it a rest.

Please. Let's talk about what we think is safe and secure and what we think our trucks can do without risking our lives.

Didja know that in the entire history of Mankind, that there has never been a recorded shark attack on a lawyer?

Know why?

Professional courtesy.

But I love my lawyer. Yours? Not so much
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Old 07-24-2020, 03:46 PM   #43
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Then you gotta prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the driver/owner/operator KNEW he/she was overweght. Good luck with that one.
Not in disagreement with you. But.....

"Ignorantia juris non excusat or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not" and "ignorance of law excuses no one" respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its ..."
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Old 07-24-2020, 04:11 PM   #44
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The way I understand it, the government more or less arbitrarily creates classes of truck by using GVWR numbers. In many states (maybe all?), certain classes of truck require special licenses to operate and insurance may be different, etc. I'm sure this varies by state. One of more common things I've heard is that in many states, a company can have employees without CDL licenses drive trucks with a GVWR of 10K or less. That's the primary reason so many 3/4 ton trucks are capped at that weight rating.

I, too, believe that many 3/4 ton trucks are capable of much more than the payload stickers show, but the question I always ask is "How much do you fear the lawyers?". If you get in an accident and injure/kill someone, how likely are you to get into big problems because the opposing lawyers can prove you were overweight according to the payload sticker?

Now, now... Let's not get into everyone's opinions on lawyers!

As far to being concerned about being overweight and lawyers I personally am not at all concerned about them. There is no way to weigh a trailer that is spread all over the road and that is typically what happens. A big rig is a different story.

I am not recommending being overweight. Have I ever been (I'll never tell )
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Old 07-24-2020, 10:56 PM   #45
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I guess that Prius I saw drive by today with three fat chicks in it was overweight too. Hope they didn't get into a wreck and someone sues them.


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I was parked next to a. F 150 pulling a nice 5th wheel. Truck appeared to handle it no problem. Personally I think his truck with bags could pull it stop it and have no problems. My two 1/2 tons pulled a bumper pull with 850 dry hitch weight. 1200 to 1500 over the axle would spread the weight even better.
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Old 07-25-2020, 06:56 AM   #47
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For year 2020 Chevy HD trucks in 2500 trim have these GVWR's: 9900/10000/10050/10150/10200/10250/10350/10400/10450/10550/10650/10750/10850/10900/11025/11050/11200/11350/11550

I understand why a manufacturer would differentiate between 10000 and under...so should anyone who is aware of the classes of vehicles but if all trucks were equal why would a manufacturer use so many GVWR's for vehicles in the same class and with such small weight gains? (not really a question, hint: the answers are in the configuration)

After soaking that up, check the 3500srw...

In an effort to save money on steel both Ford and GM prior to 2020 (and maybe still now but I'm not sure) have used different frame thicknesses for trucks and assigned different GVWR based on those frames. Which frame do you have?

It's interesting to me the effort some folks will apply to making up their own 'capabilities' or 'ratings' beyond what the manufacturer claims by performing simple addition on tire and axle ratings.
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I have a friend who is towing a Scamp fifth wheel with a Chev Colorado which I think has a CCW of around 600 lbs. if the OP is serious about getting a 5er Scamp may be the way to go
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For year 2020 Chevy HD trucks in 2500 trim have these GVWR's: 9900/10000/10050/10150/10200/10250/10350/10400/10450/10550/10650/10750/10850/10900/11025/11050/11200/11350/11550

I understand why a manufacturer would differentiate between 10000 and under...so should anyone who is aware of the classes of vehicles but if all trucks were equal why would a manufacturer use so many GVWR's for vehicles in the same class and with such small weight gains? (not really a question, hint: the answers are in the configuration)

After soaking that up, check the 3500srw...

In an effort to save money on steel both Ford and GM prior to 2020 (and maybe still now but I'm not sure) have used different frame thicknesses for trucks and assigned different GVWR based on those frames. Which frame do you have?

It's interesting to me the effort some folks will apply to making up their own 'capabilities' or 'ratings' beyond what the manufacturer claims by performing simple addition on tire and axle ratings.
Back in the later 1970s Ford sold a F100 and an F150. The F150 had a little higher max gross carrying rating. The F100 as cars were required to burn the newer unleaded fuels. The F150 and higher weight rated trucks could burn regular leaded fuels. There was not much difference between the two trucks. The manufacturers often play with the numbers.


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I suppose the real key here is if you kill someone. I had a buddy who killed a pedestrian who was doing something extremely stupid and the police impounded his vehicle while they did a full investigation. They ended up deciding that he was not at fault but if his vehicle had shown to be improper in some strange way they may have decided to charge him with a crime. If that happened, then the family of the person he hit probably would have sued him as well.
Any “I am overweight but I don’t care because nothing bad has happened yet, so I also tell others not to care” posts, if discovered during an investigation, certainly would not mitigate in the favor of the investigatee.
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Old 07-25-2020, 07:43 AM   #51
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Not in disagreement with you. But.....

"Ignorantia juris non excusat or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not" and "ignorance of law excuses no one" respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its ..."
When it comes to auto accidents and claims, you, as an individual, can't sue someone for breaking the Law. You can only sue them for negligence.

The State can prosecute for breaking the law, and breaking the law can come into a civil suit, but you can't sue for it. You can only sue for injury and/or loss.

You can sue smeone for negligence and win a million dollars. If he was overweight, the State might fine him $50. IF, and that's a HUGE "IF" they even care to bother with something so insignificant.

Honestly, people. Just leave the law out of this.
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Not in disagreement with you. But.....

"Ignorantia juris non excusat or ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not" and "ignorance of law excuses no one" respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its ..."
That, and the concept that “reckless disregard” can take an act that is not otherwise a crime, and make it one—or it could increase the severity of the crime, e.g. turning vehicular manslaughter into intentional murder.

You never think it will happen until it does.
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Back in the later 1970s Ford sold a F100 and an F150. The F150 had a little higher max gross carrying rating. The F100 as cars were required to burn the newer unleaded fuels. The F150 and higher weight ratings could burn regular leaded fuels. There was not much difference between the two. The manufacturers often play with the numbers.


Manufacturer's setting GVWR limits to meet (or skirt) fed regulations still goes on today but that does not explain Chevy's small GVW rating differences in their 2020 HD trucks within the same federally regulated class.
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Got a link to "federally regulated pickup truck classes?" I'm curious what they are.

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Got a link to "federally regulated pickup truck classes?" I'm curious what they are.

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Got a link to "federally regulated pickup truck classes?" I'm curious what they are.

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Hey Chick...is that a typo?

FHWA categorizes vehicles (not just pickup trucks) by GVWR. Within those ratings the EPA in conjunction with FHWA sets the more complicated EPA requirements.
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Fixed.

Appears that if my Expedition was a truck it'd be Class 2 based on GVWR .

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