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06-21-2018, 05:32 AM
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Payload Question - F150
Hi everyone - I've been a member for a while, majority of time here has been reading since we don't have a travel trailer so I don't have much to add to the conversation. We've been looking at trailers for a couple years and are now considering a 2015 Rockwood Ultra Lite 2608WS. Our youngest has two more years of college then he will go into the Army so it will be just my wife and I using the camper.
I think I understand the weights but don't have any idea about the loaded weights since we have never done this. My concern is the tongue weight on this unit.
2015 Rockwood Ultra Lite 2608WS: UVW = 5,796 (from the sticker on the camper) / empty tongue weight = 748 (from the 2015 brochure)
2018 F150 (my daily driver): Super Crew / 5.0 / 3.73 / 1,608 Payload / factory tow pkg / factory brake controller
Me, wife, small dog = 325 lb. / WD-Sway hitch maybe another 75 lb. so with the tongue weight that is about 1,150 of the 1,608 payload. Not planning to travel with much (if any) water in tanks. I understand that 10-15% of trailer weight should be on tongue.
Again, not knowing how much all the stuff wanted/needed for camping weighs - is this setup reasonable?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Vince
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06-21-2018, 05:45 AM
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You're going to get a ton of reply's on this, but I'll just give my personal experience.
Pulled a 2007 28' Jayco Dry weight 6500 and about 7400 loaded for nine years. First pulled it with a 2003 F150 Lariat Crew 5.4 and then with a 2013 Silverado Crew 1500 LT 5.3. Both did fine and never had any issues. Pulling in Mountains...very slow. I now have 38' with a gross weight of 11,070 and I'm pulling it with a 2014 GMC 2500 Diesel.
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06-21-2018, 05:58 AM
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Yeah, not concerned with pulling the weight but being mindful of the lower payloads I’m kinda focused on tongue weight so looking at trailers this size, (25-30 ft).
Thanks! Vince
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06-21-2018, 05:59 AM
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2018 F150 (my daily driver): Super Crew / 5.0 / 3.73 / 1,608 Payload / factory tow pkg / factory brake controller
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I would look at actual yellow sticker on your driver side door jam for ACTUAL payload of your F-150 and make sure of your numbers...
Also your actual camper loaded tongue weight will likely be 200+# higher then the unloaded (listed) weight of 748 you see on the camper sticker... adding battery, propane tanks and gear to your rig adds to that published tongue weight...
My yellow sticker is shown below so look for yours... my payload is 1309# as seen on top half of sticker
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06-21-2018, 06:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vsandy
Hi everyone - I've been a member for a while, majority of time here has been reading since we don't have a travel trailer so I don't have much to add to the conversation. We've been looking at trailers for a couple years and are now considering a 2015 Rockwood Ultra Lite 2608WS. Our youngest has two more years of college then he will go into the Army so it will be just my wife and I using the camper.
I think I understand the weights but don't have any idea about the loaded weights since we have never done this. My concern is the tongue weight on this unit.
2015 Rockwood Ultra Lite 2608WS: UVW = 5,796 (from the sticker on the camper) / empty tongue weight = 748 (from the 2015 brochure)
2018 F150 (my daily driver): Super Crew / 5.0 / 3.73 / 1,608 Payload / factory tow pkg / factory brake controller
Me, wife, small dog = 325 lb. / WD-Sway hitch maybe another 75 lb. so with the tongue weight that is about 1,150 of the 1,608 payload. Not planning to travel with much (if any) water in tanks. I understand that 10-15% of trailer weight should be on tongue.
Again, not knowing how much all the stuff wanted/needed for camping weighs - is this setup reasonable?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
Vince
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Your truck will have no problem at all. Your goal should be to put most of your stuff in the trailer when towing.
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06-21-2018, 06:18 AM
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Yes - 1,608 is the payload on the door jam. And your estimate of 200 lb hitch weight is what I'm looking for, knowing that the loaded weight will be more. I just don't know what the typical increase is from unloaded to loaded. I know that varies depending on how you camp and how you load just looking for feedback from experienced campers.
Thanks, Vince
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06-21-2018, 06:26 AM
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Dry Weight (lbs/kg) 5716 / 2592.8
Payload Capacity (lbs/kgs) 1515 / 687.2
Hitch Weight (lbs/kgs) 748 / 339.3
With these specs for this trailer, you can expect a tongue weight of app. 900 lbs when loaded.
http://www.rvguide.com/specs/forest-...te/2608ws.html
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06-21-2018, 06:29 AM
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In your manual find your GCWR for your particular truck. look at light blue tag on drivers door frame for GVWR. Off the trailer get the gross weight (this is UVW + payload capacity).
GCWR-GVWR-trailer gross weight. If the results are a plus you can tow the trailer fully loaded, if a minus you will need to calculate exact weights of truck, trailer, cargo to get the result equal or positive.
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06-21-2018, 06:31 AM
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Water hoses, sewer hoses, chocks, leveling blocks, dishes, food, appliances, another TV, slide covers, grill, towels, pillows, sheets, blankets, etc. Maybe another 300 lbs? After towing my similarly sized Rockwood with a half ton I'll tell you that you are at your max. Towing a TT is like towing a heavy billboard.
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06-21-2018, 06:40 AM
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From what I read online, your fully loaded trailer will weigh around 7200lbs. Most trailers carry about 13% of the weight on the tongue which gives you a tongue weight of about 940lbs. Assuming your truck's cargo capacity is 1300lbs like rsdata, that would leave you with 360lbs of capacity for passengers and other items.
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06-21-2018, 07:15 AM
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If your truck wheelbase is 145 inches you may want to reconsider otherwise you can make work.
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06-21-2018, 07:26 AM
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It's really hard to say exactly how much more it'll increase. A good ballpark is 1000 lbs or so of stuff, but everyone's different. The guy who brings his BBQ, his smoker, his ice maker, etc... is going to be significantly heavier than the guy who brings a box of matches and a roll of tin foil to cook over the fire. You'll have to try to think about what you think you'll be bringing with you.
Next, you need to consider where in the trailer you're going to put stuff. When I had my Flagstaff, I had the benefit of having the bike garage, so I was able to put a lot of our outside stuff to the aft of the trailer. The front pass through only held smaller stuff, like the tie downs, hatchet, levelling blocks, etc...
A lot of TT's though, don't have this option, and put a lot heaver stuff in the front passthrough, so they're going to be at least 50% of that weight (and probably a lot more) being put on the tongue. Looking at the floorplan for what you're looking at, it seems your passtrough will be at the back, so the weight of your 'outside' stuff will pretty much be all on the axles. But with that front kitchen, you have to consider the weight of stuff in the cabinets, like your pots and pans, cast iron, coffee maker, etc...
You'll also have to consider what ever you end up putting under the dinette storage. That 12 lb Roast and 26 lb Turkey in the freezer.... Ok, now I'm just getting silly, but you get the idea.
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06-21-2018, 07:55 AM
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Thanks for all the replies, some good information there. Truck is 157" wheel base, the trailer has table and chairs so no dinette storage and yes, the pass-through storage is at the rear of the trailer. Also read somewhere on the forum that the fresh water tank is behind the axles.
Thanks again!
Vince
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06-21-2018, 08:02 AM
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Don't forget to add in the weight of a full tank of gas!
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06-21-2018, 08:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnD10
Don't forget to add in the weight of a full tank of gas!
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Cargo capacity already accounts for the weight of a full tank of fuel plus driver.
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06-21-2018, 08:16 AM
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your GCWR should be around 16,200lbs, but check you manual to be sure. Looks like your good.
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06-21-2018, 08:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timfromma
Cargo capacity already accounts for the weight of a full tank of fuel plus driver.
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It does NOT include the weight of the driver.
Taken from the owner’s manual
Cargo Weight - includes all weight added to the Base Curb Weight, including cargo and optional equipment. When towing, trailer tongue load or king pin weight is also part of cargo weight.
Payload - is the combined weight of cargo and passengers that the vehicle is carrying.
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06-21-2018, 08:28 AM
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Yes, GCWR is 16,200. Also, I wasn't sure if driver was included in payload number but I do think that timfromma is correct, full tank of fuel (36 gal) and 150 lb driver are accounted for before the stated payload capacity. With this in mind I'll revise my earlier stated weight of 325 lb for me+wife+dog down to 175 lb.
Good information - thank you!
Vince
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06-21-2018, 08:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by babock
It does NOT include the weight of the driver.
Payload - is the combined weight of cargo and passengers that the vehicle is carrying.
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Passengers aka people who are not driving.
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06-21-2018, 08:33 AM
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Our Grey Wolf has front storage, so when i loaded the TT (400# gear), my dry tongue of 601# went to 850#. I'm rearranging things to lighten that a little, but just be aware.
Good luck and have fun.
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