Post Your 1/2 Ton's Specs

[The Big Toe]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

Edit: What we really need is for someone to hook up an 8K TT to an EB truck and set the cruise at 65 down a road with moderate ups and downs. Then hook the same rig to ANY NA V8 engine. Compare the downshifts required and the RPM's needed to pull hills. You'll find that the EB produces power MUCH lower and requires fewer and less aggressive downshifts. If someone takes this challenge, make sure to get both to full operating temp for the filming as it makes a huge difference in my experience with a forced induction engine.

Who's saying that isn't the case?

But there is this thing called 'turbo lag'

It's a real thing. Even on the best of them

[itat]

The_Big_Toe and dustman_stx, please start another thread if you want to continue that debate about engines. Let's keep this thread on topic.

As I said in my original post. This is not a thread to insight debate and weight police. My purpose is just to demonstrate the variety of specs for 1/2 tons.

Thanks.

[dustman_stx]

I'm sorry BT, but you're just flat wrong. You can believe that the Coyote puts out more power below 2800 if you want, but it's not the case. If you really want to know the truth about how the EB tows compared to the Coyote you need to find a way to get in one with a load hooked up. If you are the kind of person that is able to see through mis-perception and set aside your preconceived notions (not trying to sound like a smart-you-know-what, but the vast majority of people in the world are often incapable of this) you'll find that what you currently believe and are promoting is entirely false. I also suggest you research variable vane technology.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by itat

The_Big_Toe and dustman_stx, please start another thread if you want to continue that debate about engines. Let's keep this thread on topic.

As I said in my original post. This is not a thread to insight debate and weight police. My purpose is just to demonstrate the variety of specs for 1/2 tons.

Thanks.

Got it. My apologies. Carry on. I've never been good at letting misinformation go uncorrected and can get off topic, as you can see.

[RollingDownTheHighway]

Here are my specs:

2014 Silverado Dbl Cab
6.2 L with Max Tow

From the sticker in the door
GVWR: 7200
GAWR Frt: 3950
GAWR Rear: 4100

capable of towing #11,7

I tow the following:
32' Tracer Touring Edition Exec. Series
Dry: 7462
Cargo Cap. 1915
Gross: 9377

[53flattie]

2015 Tundra CrewMax, 4WD
5.7L
4.30 axle ratio

Base Weight: 5,625
GVWR: 7,200
Payload: 1,575
Max Tow: 9,800


2015 Rockwood 2306
2015 Tundra CrewMax

[jughrad]

I know, I am Living on the edge!! I am upgrading the TV soon but I hope this will get me through the next season.

2004 Dodge Durango Limited, AWD, Factory Towing Group
Engine: 5.7-liter HEMI‚ Magnum V8
Horsepower: 345 (257 kW) @ 5,400 rpm
Torque: 375 lb.-ft. (509 Nm) @ 4,200
Transmission: 5-45RFE, five-speed automatic AWD
Brakes: four wheel disc with antilock
Front Suspension: Upper and lower “A” arms, torsion bars, gas-charged monotube shock absorbers, stabilizer bar
Rear Suspension: Live axle, link coil-with Watt's linkage, gas-charged monotube shock absorbers, stabilizer bar
Curb Weight: 5079 lbs

What I thought I had when I bought my trailer -
Axle ratio: 3.92:1
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Tow rating: 8,700 w/AWD
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating: 6,600 lbs
Gross Combined Weight Rating: 15,300 lbs
Hitch Rating: 890lbs

What I realized I had after further investigation -
Axle ratio: 3.55:1
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Tow rating: 7,200 w/AWD
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating: 6,600 lbs
Gross Combined Weight Rating: 13,800 lbs
Hitch Rating: 890lbs?

My Trailer & TV Actual Weight (weigh station)
----------------------------------------------------
TV: 5800 lbs, unhitched, full tank, 2 passengers, tools and hitch, personal bags
TV: 6600 lbs, hitched, full tank, 2 passengers, tools and hitch, personal bags
TT: 6050 lbs, 1/3 Fresh Water, fully loaded with camping gear and food

Calculations
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GCVW: TV[scale](6,600#)+TT[scale](6050#)=12,650 lbs
TTW: GCVW(12,650#)-TV[unhitched](5,800#)=6,850 lbs
TONGUE WEIGHT: TV[scale](6600#)-TV[unhitched](5,800#)=800 lbs
GCW MARGIN: GCWR(13,800)-GCVW(12,650)=1,150 lbs
TOW RATING MARGIN: TOW RATING(7,200)-TTW(6,850)=350 lbs
GVWR MARGIN: GVWR(6,600)-TV[scale]= 0
TONGUE WEIGH MARGIN: HITCH RATING(890)-HITCH[calculated](800) = 90 lbs

I thought I did good investigation before buying my trailer and assumed I had plenty of margin on tow rating but I later found out the Tow Rating guide I used assumed a 3.92:1 gear ratio, it turns out I have a 3.55:1 gear ratio.

I am making some assumptions about my tow vehicle which may or may not hold water. There is no difference in suspension, brakes or engine between a 3.55:1 & 3.92:1 gear ratio so if I exceed the ratings it is mostly a transmission load issue and the suspension and brakes should hold up.

I found that the tongue weight specification for a 3.92:1 RWD is 10% of the max of 8900 lbs so 890 lbs is the tongue rating. I assume this to be the tongue rating regardless of what any towing guide might say, it seems most just say 10% of tow rating.

I am going to adjust the WDH and throw another 200 lbs toward the trailer to give me some TV GVWR and Tongue weight margin.

[CNYCamper]

3.42 rear, 6 speed automatic, 1,747 payload, Max. trailer weight 9,600.

[timothy clancy]

2011 f150 crew cab 4x4 lariat 5.5 bed 3.73 locking diff 3.5 Eco boost 11200 tow rating add ons are Hellwig rear sway bar, Bill Steen rear, shocks 10 ply nitto Tera grappler tires mbrp 4 inch exhaust from converter back with a AFE air intake towing a 2015 vibe 272 tow weight 6900 dry scaled with gear and essentials no water 7523 tongue weight 720 give or take


Clancy vibe272bhs

[dmdomokos]

JUGHRAD - I did almost the same thing. I thought my 2014 Suburban with the "tow package" had a 3.42 gear ratio. Bought a trailer that was 6200 thinking I had 8000 lb rating. Found out it was a 3.08. So like you, I assumed my issue really was the tranmission load. I added a large cooler to it and now never exceed 150 deg, up a hill fully loaded. I also had to change to LT tires and Monroe reflex shocks. The "tow package" was just the hitch. Now I know better. Chevy 2500HD next TV.

[spudston]

2015 GMC Sierra crew cab, 4X4, 6.2L, 8 spd. trans., Max tow
11,800 tow
1896 payload
Front axle 3950
Rear axle 4300

[4mula1fan]

2008 Nissan Titan with Tow Package

Maximum Trailer Weight (lbs.) 9,400
Maximum Trailer Tongue Load 940
King Pin Load (lbs) 1,410
Short Wheel Base
Gross Combined Weight Rating (lbs.) 15,100

[ov845]

Payload 1455lbs
FGAWR 3900lbs
RGAWR 3900lbs

Loaded trailer 7500lbs


Happy Camping!

2012 Ram 1500 5.7L 3.92
Airlift 1000
2015 2809W Windjammer
Husky Centerline WDH

[madmaxmutt]

Power: 365 hp @ 5000 rpm
Torque: 420 lb-ft @ 2500 rpm

[The_Rhino]

Many 1/2 tons now surpass my entry-level Ram 2500's towing capacity & GCVW, so I'll post my 3/4 ton numbers for comparison:

2011 Ram 2500 CC ST w/5.7 Hemi (used/paid $14K in 2013...)
Max Trailer = 9,100
Max Payload = 3,030
Front Max = 4750, Rear Max = 6000, GVW = 8800
GCVW = 15,000

So although I am also limited to "1/2 ton towables" to stay under tow rating & GCVW, I have enough payload to handle a fiberglass cap, bikes, firewood, tools, etc. plus loaded pass-through storage, under-master bed storage, master closets, & enough FW for a few flushes...

Tracer 3150 is 6,500 empty/8,000 loaded; empty tongue of 650/1200 loaded w/Equalizer 4 1200 WDH. With family of 5, dog, fiberglass cap, 5 bikes, firewood, etc. our payload is close to 2,500 and I'm very close to our GCVW of 15,000. The 2012 is identical but has a 6 speed tranny & GCVW of 17,000...

[aufinger]

2014 Tundra SR5, Double Cab, Standard Bed
No Tow Package (a tow package was only available on the 5.7L)

4.6L V8
310 HP @ 5600 rpm
327 lbs. torque @ 3600 rpm
3.91 rear
GVWR 6700
Payload 1410
Max Towing 6800

2016 23LB Micro Lite
Gross Wt 4,830

[Wobbles]

I think I am safe. What say you? These are my specs, without having been scaled yet.

2014 Ford F150 XLT Supercab 4x4 5.0,145-in WB, 3.55 Gears
5461 Base Curb Weight
7350 GVWR
7800 Max Loaded Trailer Weight
13500 GCWR
1830 Payload Capacity

2015 Cherokee Grey Wolf 26BH
402 Dry Hitch Weight
4579 UVW
2823 CCC
7402 GVWR

Note:
I have asked on the forum here about tongue weight and the reply's with two bottles and battery plus an estimate of cargo in the TT between 1k and 1.5k of junk, I will have a hard time getting near the 15%.

I cannot think that I would ever get near the 1.5k of cargo unless I let the DW use the TT as a place where stuff goes to die.

[The Big Toe]

Originally Posted by Wobbles

I think I am safe. What say you? These are my specs, without having been scaled yet.

2014 Ford F150 XLT Supercab 4x4 5.0,145-in WB, 3.55 Gears
5461 Base Curb Weight
7350 GVWR
7800 Max Loaded Trailer Weight
13500 GCWR
1830 Payload Capacity

2015 Cherokee Grey Wolf 26BH
402 Dry Hitch Weight
4579 UVW
2823 CCC
7402 GVWR

Note:
I have asked on the forum here about tongue weight and the reply's with two bottles and battery plus an estimate of cargo in the TT between 1k and 1.5k of junk, I will have a hard time getting near the 15%.

I cannot think that I would ever get near the 1.5k of cargo unless I let the DW use the TT as a place where stuff goes to die.

Question:
When the factory sez 'maximum tongue weight (in my case) 1130 lbs'

Do they take into account that a WDH is going to move a Trailer Tongue's weight away from the hitch and onto the front wheels and back to the Trailer itself?

IOW, let's say your actual tongue weight is 1,400 lbs but you've adjusted your WDH to take 400lbs off of that.......

Am I under or over my Truck's maximum tongue weight?

Seems to me that I'd be under, not over.

Or....

Not

[madmaxmutt]

I have never seen any manufacturer consider tongue weight after weight distribution. It is weighed prior when dead on the ball. If there is any question, call your hitch/receiver manufacturer.

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[The Big Toe]

Originally Posted by madmaxmutt

I have never seen any manufacturer consider tongue weight after weight distribution. It is weighed prior when dead on the ball. If there is any question, call your hitch/receiver manufacturer.

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I haven't seen the manufacturer even mention a WDH except to say that when you're pulling over 5,000lbs you need one