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Old 02-14-2020, 03:30 PM   #21
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The weight is further back on the TH, making it more subject too sway. I think you while run out of payload. May be 2500 time.
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Old 02-14-2020, 04:13 PM   #22
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I just looked his truck up. I knew the 4x4 payload was significantly lower than my 4x2. It's only 1570. VS my 1790. That's why I did not want a 4x4 1/2 ton.
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Old 02-14-2020, 04:27 PM   #23
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Thanks For all of the great comments. I have not bought the TH yet but I found one I want. Iíve honestly been thinking about getting a different truck before I was looking at campers because it blew a motor at 40,000 miles thank goodness it was under warranty. Not been quite right since. The Harley towing would only be a couple times a year like heading to Sturgis. The rest of the time that space would be open and I would use it for other things. Iím going to look at the toy hauler again tomorrow paying specific attention to how far I can get the bike so I can get it at least forward or equal to the axles.

you will be fine . the TH is set and meant to have a bike or other atv etc in the back . TH are TW heavy to accommodate this . no worries i see a good wdh bike in back and roll on
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Old 02-14-2020, 04:29 PM   #24
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The weight is further back on the TH, making it more subject too sway. I think you while run out of payload. May be 2500 time.
Toy haulers are meant to have a bike in back which is why they come tongue heavy . I carry about 1400 lbs in my garage behind the TH wheels and no issues of sway or bounce . in fact it pulls like a dream .
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I recommend spending time and getting the best WD hitch. I would add air bags on the rear. e rated tires, an upgraded steering stabilizer and depending on miles add some bilstein shocks.

If you stay w this truck.

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Old 02-14-2020, 05:22 PM   #26
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Old 02-14-2020, 05:35 PM   #27
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F150 max tow.
I'm confused by your post. The OP has a Ram 1500 with a 3.21 rear end.
What does a F150 with the Max Tow package have to do with this?
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I believe you are concerned about safety. I would say your truck will not be suitable for a trailer of this size. Friend my mine had the same truck same rear diff blew the tranny out of it with a bumper pull at 6,000 lbs loaded. More or less flat land short trips around Ontario. Might be best wait for a new setup a little down the road.
You don't like Ram trucks. Ok we hear you but don't agree with you.

There are 2 different tranny's that come with the 1500. My bet is your buddy had the one that is not really meant for towing. Towing capacity is only 6500 pounds. Payload is 1400. These trucks look good but not much else. Dealers don't normally carry them.
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I have the same Ram and gears. Tow around 7000lbs with everything loaded. Bed full of camping gear. 3.21 gears. Tows fine but can get alittle squirreley sometimes. To fix that I just put on LT275/65r20 tires load range E. thats over 3500lbs per tire. I'am installing the Air 1000HD air bags this spring which increase payload by 2000lbs. Keep bike up close to center as you can. I've seen trailers with rear kitchens, thats alot of weight back there but your toy hauler should be designed with rear loading in mind. max weight should be posted.
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Old 02-14-2020, 06:43 PM   #30
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Opinion time. Couple years ago I bought a 2017 RAM QUAD Cab 4x4 with 3:21 gears. That gear setup is great for pulling my 16ft vintage canned ham but now I want to buy a TH so when I want I can bring the motorcycle. With 3:21 my published MAX tow is 8000. I am looking at a TH that is 26' and weights 5100 Dry. I want to haul on occasion my 850lb Harley. I have used a couple online calculators and it shows I am close to max of 7700 and 5820 is recommended with 20% safety. Anyone with the same Ram have experience? If I convert to 3:92 with same tranny the capacity goes up to 10500 but that will have to wait for a bit. I just don't want to be a danger to myself or anyone around me.
To answet your question specifically yes I think you will be fine with the 3.21 rear axle ratio. I own the same truck and towed 6000 miles last year from Ohio to Montana with 2 motorcycles, 1100 lbs in the bed and the truck did great. TufTruck 1223V coils in rear, Bilstein shocks and Hellwig rear sway bar only modifications.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:15 AM   #31
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What the payload capacity from the driver's door yellow Tires and Loading sticker?
I'm guessing with a low 3.21 rear end, you're going to have a low payload.
You need to understand how payload capacity is more important than towing capacity. All tow vehicles will run out of payload capacity WAY before getting close to max towing capacity.
And don't use the fictional brochure/website dry weight numbers. Those are based on a stripped-down version of the trailer.
Be aware: There are vehicles that can run at MAX tow capacity, and still have available payload (that is, below the GCVWR). These are usually Class 2 or 3 vehicles, but there are plenty of them.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:27 AM   #32
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If you stay within your ratings, you are no risk for safety. We engineers put all sorts of safety factors into the design and testing already. Now, if YOU are more risk-averse, and want more safety margin, that's fine. But don't feel like you are putting others at risk by towing within your ratings.


My opinion: If you are able to stay within your ratings, go ahead and get the trailer you want, and give it a try. It would not be unsafe, but you simply aren't sure it be a comfortable tow. Like someone said, the 8-speed trans will have very low 1st (and 2nd?) gears, which will help you pull away from a light without overstressing the drivetrain.


If you find that you simply do not like the feel of things, get a different truck, or have the axle(s) swapped for 3:55 (or whatever is available).
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Well I ordered a toy hauler so I will go with the truck I have till summer and if I do not like I will buy new or upgrade gearing. Even with my motorcycle loaded I will be at least 20% below recommended tow weight. Time will tell.
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That is way lots of trailer for your rig. I drive a 07 Ram 1500 megacab 5.7 and 3:73. Truck weighs in at just over 6000# . I tow a Apex 288BHS which dry is 5000#, add in peoples and the gear and I wouldn't want to pull anything heavier. I understand that the newer Ram have a few more horsepower but be careful
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Old 02-24-2020, 11:39 PM   #35
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Gear ratio has no bearing on payload. His truck is a 2017 with the 8 speed auto. 1st and 2nd gear sets are very low in this tranny. He will be fine as long as payload is not exceeded.
Agreed.........

Don't worry about the rear end.

Better mileage as a daily driver.....and for towing: that's why gawd made transmissions with eight speeds.
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I just traded a 2018 RAM Quad cab with the 5.7 hemi and the 3.21 gears on a 2019 RAM 3500 SRW. I pull a 6700 lb TT and it was white knuckles on a regular basis. Semi's pushed me around to much. I even put new E rated tires and it did not help much. With my new truck I can't even tell the TT is back there and semi's do not push me at all anymore. I know a 3500 SRW is way over kill but stress free towing is priceless.
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Well I ordered a toy hauler so I will go with the truck I have till summer and if I do not like I will buy new or upgrade gearing. Even with my motorcycle loaded I will be at least 20% below recommended tow weight. Time will tell.
Being under max tow means nothing ... payload capacity will go away fast ... if you can carry it you can pull it ... I was 500 over payload and 1300 under max tow on my previous set up ... truck industry does a real disservice by pushing MAX TOW .....
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Being under max tow means nothing ... payload capacity will go away fast ... if you can carry it you can pull it ... I was 500 over payload and 1300 under max tow on my previous set up ... truck industry does a real disservice by pushing MAX TOW .....
I agree.....it's very misleading.
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