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Old 02-13-2020, 01:28 PM   #1
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Opinion time. Couple years ago I bought a 2017 RAM QUAD Cab 4x4 with 3:21 gears. That gear setup is great for pulling my 16ft vintage canned ham but now I want to buy a TH so when I want I can bring the motorcycle. With 3:21 my published MAX tow is 8000. I am looking at a TH that is 26' and weights 5100 Dry. I want to haul on occasion my 850lb Harley. I have used a couple online calculators and it shows I am close to max of 7700 and 5820 is recommended with 20% safety. Anyone with the same Ram have experience? If I convert to 3:92 with same tranny the capacity goes up to 10500 but that will have to wait for a bit. I just don't want to be a danger to myself or anyone around me.
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What the payload capacity from the driver's door yellow Tires and Loading sticker?
I'm guessing with a low 3.21 rear end, you're going to have a low payload.
You need to understand how payload capacity is more important than towing capacity. All tow vehicles will run out of payload capacity WAY before getting close to max towing capacity.
And don't use the fictional brochure/website dry weight numbers. Those are based on a stripped-down version of the trailer.
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I believe you are concerned about safety. I would say your truck will not be suitable for a trailer of this size. Friend my mine had the same truck same rear diff blew the tranny out of it with a bumper pull at 6,000 lbs loaded. More or less flat land short trips around Ontario. Might be best wait for a new setup a little down the road.
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I need an actual weight. Using the data off of the Dodge web site it calculates me at a max of 7700 and with 20% safety that makes it 5800. If I allow for a 15% safety margin then goes over 6100. I found a good deal on a camper. Hate to pass it up. Thanks for advice
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I need an actual weight. Using the data off of the Dodge web site it calculates me at a max of 7700 and with 20% safety that makes it 5800. If I allow for a 15% safety margin then goes over 6100. I found a good deal on a camper. Hate to pass it up. Thanks for advice
What does your truck's payload sticker say? That's the first place to start.
It'll say something like "Occupants and cargo should not exceed xxxxlbs". The driver is considered as an Occupant.
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Its the yellow sticker on the drivers side door jamb.
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Sounds like the Camper is purchased already. Good luck, sway will bw an issue with that light a truck and big bike n the back.
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I have used a couple online calculators and it shows I am close to max of 7700 and 5820 is recommended with 20% safety.
The 'safety factor' was already built in when the engineers designed it. You can safely tow 8000.

There is literally nothing to gain by taking off another 20%

You are good.

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Its a Ram 1500 need the safety margin, they are contractor specials and disposable up.
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Its a Ram 1500 need the safety margin, they are contractor specials and disposable up.
your opinion is noted.

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What the payload capacity from the driver's door yellow Tires and Loading sticker?
I'm guessing with a low 3.21 rear end, you're going to have a low payload.
You need to understand how payload capacity is more important than towing capacity. All tow vehicles will run out of payload capacity WAY before getting close to max towing capacity.
And don't use the fictional brochure/website dry weight numbers. Those are based on a stripped-down version of the trailer.
Payload is GVWR minus empty weight. Gear ratios are not a factor other than whatever negligible weight difference there might be between different gear sets.
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Not apples to apples, but we towed our Ultra Lite 2706, weighing in at 6932 dry and just under 9K lbs loaded, with the wife's '19 Laramie 1500 with the 3.21 gears once. Tongue weight around 1K lbs as loaded. Three people and not much cargo in truck. Right at or just over payload of 1600 or so lbs. 300 mile round trip all flat land. Truck pulled and stopped it OK. Trans temps went up a few degrees but not what I would think would be harmful. Pulled in 5th and 6th gear. Issue I had was wind. Both days that trip there were winds of around 25 mph. The trailer pulled the truck around quite a bit.
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Opinion time. Couple years ago I bought a 2017 RAM QUAD Cab 4x4 with 3:21 gears. That gear setup is great for pulling my 16ft vintage canned ham but now I want to buy a TH so when I want I can bring the motorcycle. With 3:21 my published MAX tow is 8000. I am looking at a TH that is 26' and weights 5100 Dry. I want to haul on occasion my 850lb Harley. I have used a couple online calculators and it shows I am close to max of 7700 and 5820 is recommended with 20% safety. Anyone with the same Ram have experience? If I convert to 3:92 with same tranny the capacity goes up to 10500 but that will have to wait for a bit. I just don't want to be a danger to myself or anyone around me.
I am pulling an almost identical rig sans Harley. Details in signature. I would say that if you put the bike in the bed you will be over the published payload though airbags will help the sag and the weight in the bed will add stability to the overall driving experience. With a good wdh setup (get the sway control) youíll pull fine. Whatever you do, donít put that bike behind the axles of your TT. Itís too much weight and youíll feel loose with bumps, wind and passing vehicles.

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I am pulling an almost identical rig sans Harley. Details in signature. I would say that if you put the bike in the bed you will be over the published payload though airbags will help the sag and the weight in the bed will add stability to the overall driving experience. With a good wdh setup (get the sway control) youíll pull fine. Whatever you do, donít put that bike behind the axles of your TT. Itís too much weight and youíll feel loose with bumps, wind and passing vehicles.

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I should have included that Iíve got the 3.21 gearing and the power plant is a 5.7 hemi.
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Gear ratio has no bearing on payload. His truck is a 2017 with the 8 speed auto. 1st and 2nd gear sets are very low in this tranny. He will be fine as long as payload is not exceeded.
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Thanks For all of the great comments. I have not bought the TH yet but I found one I want. Iíve honestly been thinking about getting a different truck before I was looking at campers because it blew a motor at 40,000 miles thank goodness it was under warranty. Not been quite right since. The Harley towing would only be a couple times a year like heading to Sturgis. The rest of the time that space would be open and I would use it for other things. Iím going to look at the toy hauler again tomorrow paying specific attention to how far I can get the bike so I can get it at least forward or equal to the axles.
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I just traded a 2017 Ram 1500 with 5.7 Hemi and 3.21 gears. I used it to tow our travel trailer that weighed 7200 lbs. (CAT scale). Fully loaded for camping the truck was right at itís max payload rating (CAT scale also). I never had an issue. Mostly flat land towing in Michigan but, lots of wind and trucks. No impact other than the normal effect of passing trucks.
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Thanks For all of the great comments. I have not bought the TH yet but I found one I want. Iíve honestly been thinking about getting a different truck before I was looking at campers because it blew a motor at 40,000 miles thank goodness it was under warranty. Not been quite right since. The Harley towing would only be a couple times a year like heading to Sturgis. The rest of the time that space would be open and I would use it for other things. Iím going to look at the toy hauler again tomorrow paying specific attention to how far I can get the bike so I can get it at least forward or equal to the axles.
Honestly in my opinion you need a 3/4 ton truck. My Ram 1500 tows my 5500lb trailer great with a bike in the bed but I would not want to be towing a toy hauler with an 850lb Harley in the back. And if you use the toy hauler with no toy in the back it will be VERY tongue heavy.
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My 2 cents. I have 2wd ram 1500 quad cab. 3.21 ratio. 5.7 hemi 2017. Payload is 1781. Towing 8000 pounds 6000 miles so far using equalizer hitch. No sway whatsoever. I drive defensively and never over 65 ... Well occasionally downhill a bit more. I'm virtually always being passed. Never any sway tractor trailer issues. I also put airbags because Rams have coil springs. Now not so hard to load and look level always. Finally real world tongue weight with my unit 1050. Just myself and wife and tiny dog. So payload not an issue. Tow police go away. Trucks have changed from the days they broke down at every corner. Some day you'll all pass on. Your nonsense will be gone for good.
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Thanks For all of the great comments. I have not bought the TH yet but I found one I want. Iíve honestly been thinking about getting a different truck before I was looking at campers because it blew a motor at 40,000 miles thank goodness it was under warranty. Not been quite right since. The Harley towing would only be a couple times a year like heading to Sturgis. The rest of the time that space would be open and I would use it for other things. Iím going to look at the toy hauler again tomorrow paying specific attention to how far I can get the bike so I can get it at least forward or equal to the axles.
many have mentioned and requested your truck's payload capacity. is there a reason you haven't provided that number?
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