Ram makes 1000lb-ft torque

[goduc]

Originally Posted by Jim34RL

First off the 400HP/1000lb-ft torque is only offered on the 3500 DRW top of the line truck. So, this to me would have the AISIN transmission only. Yes there are three different gear ratios offered, such as the 3:42, 3:73 and the 4:10.

Second the ECM/PCM for all of the Cummins engines used on the Ram trucks has torque management as part of the software. Even my 2008 Dodge 6.7L Cummins has torque management installed on my truck. Without torque management even my 2008 would be destroying the driveline components on this truck in first gear and 4-low.

So, you can not calculated the wheel torque using your theory. Also you did not account for power train losses that occur in all vehicles. Which could be anywhere from 10% to 25% of the engine output of HP/TQ.

The only accurate way to measure wheel torque at the rear wheels would be a dynamometer.

I have to disagrees with some of your statements.
according to HDRAM

There are three engine options in the new 2019 Ram Heavy duty. The venerable 5.7-liter HEMI V8 is gone and has been replaced by the 6.4-liter HEMI V8 as the base engine. As before the Cummins Turbo Diesel is available in 2 different power levels with the segment first 1,000 lb-ft of torque Cummins High Output optional on the 3500 models.

Per Pickuptrucks.com


All diesel Ram 3500s will get the electronically controlled Aisin AS69RC six-speed transmission, which we're told now has twice as much learning capability than before to deliver faster, more precise shifts under all driving conditions, loaded and unloaded.

So regardless of which Cummins motor you get in a 3500 you always get the Aisin

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by dustman_stx

I come up with 40,590ft. lbs. using your numbers??? How did you arrive at 23M?

Doh! I blame caculator but I missed a decimal. Anyway the point is through gears the numbers get very large.

Not directed at you dust man but...
Now if software does pull a bunch off the 1000 so you don't break everything then what's the point? I guess so you can tow up a hill in overdrive but again what's the point in that? What's wrong with a downshift? You will use just as much fuel either way, it's a physics problem and the fuel tables and efficiency on a Cummins hardly change through the power band. Using gears means more rpm but less power needed from the motor basically a wash compared to more power less rpm to tow up a hill in overdrive. When not on a hill even 500 ft lbs is plenty.

[Jim34RL]

Originally Posted by goduc

I have to disagrees with some of your statements.
according to HDRAM

There are three engine options in the new 2019 Ram Heavy duty. The venerable 5.7-liter HEMI V8 is gone and has been replaced by the 6.4-liter HEMI V8 as the base engine. As before the Cummins Turbo Diesel is available in 2 different power levels with the segment first 1,000 lb-ft of torque Cummins High Output optional on the 3500 models.

Per Pickuptrucks.com


All diesel Ram 3500s will get the electronically controlled Aisin AS69RC six-speed transmission, which we're told now has twice as much learning capability than before to deliver faster, more precise shifts under all driving conditions, loaded and unloaded.

So regardless of which Cummins motor you get in a 3500 you always get the Aisin

Will since this is a discussion on diesel engines I see no reason in bring up the gas engine trucks. So, to me this is irrelevant information.

Will you need to go back and re-visit that article you quoting.

I am a member of TDR (Turbo Diesel Register. Com) which the editors of the website/quarterly magazine discuss the Ram trucks in detail with their members. Per this article the 3500 diesel trucks will have two automatic transmission available the 68RFE and the AS69RC. New for this year Ram will not be offering a manual transmission in the 2019 model year truck since sales were less than 4% .

If you would like to read the full article; I have attached this for you to read.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/...ram-hd.265793/ And here are the actual press release files from Ram. Click on the header and scroll down to the PDF files to open.https://www.turbodieselregister.com/...-night.265813/

I would tend to believe these gentleman; since this group has been associated with the Dodge/Ram turbo diesel since the first rollout of the Cummins equipped truck back in the late 80's.

[goduc]

Originally Posted by Jim34RL

Will since this is a discussion on diesel engines I see no reason in bring up the gas engine trucks. So, to me this is irrelevant information.

Will you need to go back and re-visit that article you quoting.

I am a member of TDR (Turbo Diesel Register. Com) which the editors of the website/quarterly magazine discuss the Ram trucks in detail with their members. Per this article the 3500 diesel trucks will have two automatic transmission available the 68RFE and the AS69RC. New for this year Ram will not be offering a manual transmission in the 2019 model year truck since sales were less than 4% .

If you would like to read the full article; I have attached this for you to read.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/...ram-hd.265793/ And here are the actual press release files from Ram. Click on the header and scroll down to the PDF files to open.https://www.turbodieselregister.com/...-night.265813/

I would tend to believe these gentleman; since this group has been associated with the Dodge/Ram turbo diesel since the first rollout of the Cummins equipped truck back in the late 80's.

You're wrong. According to the PDF tow charts the HO+Aisin is available in a 3500 SRW .
You state it's only available in a DRW
Thats whats new for 2019.
So either the tow charts are wrong or the guys at TDR are.

[Bluepill]

Whew. I just read through this thread to this point, and all I can say is this much bench racing makes me want to pop open a full six pack to slow down the 4.11 gears spinnin' inside my head.

[aeblank]

Originally Posted by Bluepill

Whew. I just read through this thread to this point, and all I can say is this much bench racing makes me want to pop open a full six pack to slow down the 4.11 gears spinnin' inside my head.

4.11, 4.12.... whatever it takes.

[koller1509]

Originally Posted by goduc

I have to disagrees with some of your statements.
according to HDRAM

There are three engine options in the new 2019 Ram Heavy duty. The venerable 5.7-liter HEMI V8 is gone and has been replaced by the 6.4-liter HEMI V8 as the base engine. As before the Cummins Turbo Diesel is available in 2 different power levels with the segment first 1,000 lb-ft of torque Cummins High Output optional on the 3500 models.

Per Pickuptrucks.com


All diesel Ram 3500s will get the electronically controlled Aisin AS69RC six-speed transmission, which we're told now has twice as much learning capability than before to deliver faster, more precise shifts under all driving conditions, loaded and unloaded.

So regardless of which Cummins motor you get in a 3500 you always get the Aisin

You better reread the article, you have the choice of the Aisin or the upgraded 68RFE

[koller1509]

Originally Posted by goduc

You're wrong. According to the PDF tow charts the HO+Aisin is available in a 3500 SRW .
You state it's only available in a DRW
Thats whats new for 2019.
So either the tow charts are wrong or the guys at TDR are.

Where did he say that it is only available for DRW?? I read his post three times and don't see that written anywhere.

[goduc]

Originally Posted by koller1509

Where did he say that it is only available for DRW?? I read his post three times and don't see that written anywhere.

"Originally Posted by Jim34RL View Post
First off the 400HP/1000lb-ft torque is only offered on the 3500 DRW top of the line truck. So, this to me would have the AISIN transmission only. Yes there are three different gear ratios offered, such as the 3:42, 3:73 and the 4:10. "


Yes there are two trans choices for the 3500. If you look at the PDF tow charts from his link it clearly shows that the 6.7 HO 400/1000 comes in the SRW not just the DRW.

[Jim34RL]

Originally Posted by goduc

"Originally Posted by Jim34RL View Post
First off the 400HP/1000lb-ft torque is only offered on the 3500 DRW top of the line truck. So, this to me would have the AISIN transmission only. Yes there are three different gear ratios offered, such as the 3:42, 3:73 and the 4:10. "


Yes there are two trans choices for the 3500. If you look at the PDF tow charts from his link it clearly shows that the 6.7 HO 400/1000 comes in the SRW not just the DRW.

Since you will not open up the PDF files that I attached from Ram news release. And I have been discussing the max tow package which provides a 400HP/1000lb-ft of TQ. I will post two of their statements on the 68RFE transmission mated to the SO 6.7L Cummins.
They state and I quote "Upgraded 68RFE six-speed automatic available for the 6.7-liter Cummins Turbo Diesel standard output" and the second statement and I quote "The standard output Cummins mates to a refined 68RFE six-speed automatic transmission, while the high output Cummins bolts up to an upgraded, heavy-duty Aisin six-speed automatic transmission."

Another part of the news release states that this is only available on the max tow package which is the DRW trucks. And I quote " The Ram 3500 Heavy Duty with the Max Tow Package uses an all-new, larger 12-inch AAM rear axle with 4.25-inch axle tubes, larger head, tail and differential bearings, and new O-ring style axle shaft hub seals. The limited-slip differential uses a friction plate design, while the serrated axle pinion and driveshaft flanges are upgraded to handle the increased torque."

No where does Ram state that the Aisin and the HO 6.7L Cummins will be offered on a SRW truck with the max tow package.

[goduc]

Originally Posted by Jim34RL

Since you will not open up the PDF files that I attached from Ram news release. And I have been discussing the max tow package which provides a 400HP/1000lb-ft of TQ. I will post two of their statements on the 68RFE transmission mated to the SO 6.7L Cummins.
They state and I quote "Upgraded 68RFE six-speed automatic available for the 6.7-liter Cummins Turbo Diesel standard output" and the second statement and I quote "The standard output Cummins mates to a refined 68RFE six-speed automatic transmission, while the high output Cummins bolts up to an upgraded, heavy-duty Aisin six-speed automatic transmission."

Another part of the news release states that this is only available on the max tow package which is the DRW trucks. And I quote " The Ram 3500 Heavy Duty with the Max Tow Package uses an all-new, larger 12-inch AAM rear axle with 4.25-inch axle tubes, larger head, tail and differential bearings, and new O-ring style axle shaft hub seals. The limited-slip differential uses a friction plate design, while the serrated axle pinion and driveshaft flanges are upgraded to handle the increased torque."

No where does Ram state that the Aisin and the HO 6.7L Cummins will be offered on a SRW truck with the max tow package.

Sir I did open up the PDF files, how do you think I saw that the 3500 SRW can be optioned with the 6.7 HO and the Aisin. You state that the HO 400/1000 is only available in the DRW. Thats simply not true according to the Ram PDF towing charts. The towing chart clearly shows that the SRW can be optioned with the standard CTD and 68RFE as well as the HO 400/1000 and Aisin.

Have you opened the tow chart PDF and looked?

From the tow chart for the 3500

6.7L I6 CUMMINS TURBO
DIESEL ENGINE
TRANSMISSION -6-SPD.
AUTOMATIC,68RFE
SRW 3.73 XBS 11500 4700.0 6803.04 4154.64 2648.4 5500.0 7000.0 28305 28300 21030.0

6.7L I6 CUMMINS HO TURBO
DIESEL ENG
6 SPD AUTO AISIN NEW HD
TRANSMISSION
SRW 3.73 XBS 11500 4520.0 6981.94 4274.99 2706.95 5500.0 7000.0 34444 34630 26990.0

[SimchaSabre]

I'm working with my local RAM dealer now on ordering a 2019 3500 SRW with HO Cummins/ Aisen. It is also available with the Chrysler 6 speed. Also 4:10 is only available with DRW.

[jtesta1]

No you don't. But you're money goes overseas not in American pockets.

[B and B]

Ford has the most American content of any of the Big 3 Dessel Trucks. Reason why F Series is the Number 1 selling truck for 57 years! Owned by Americans! End of discussion!

Wrench Drop!

[NMWildcat]

Originally Posted by B and B

Ford has the most American content of any of the Big 3 Dessel Trucks. Reason why F Series is the Number 1 selling truck for 57 years! Owned by Americans! End of discussion!

Wrench Drop!

Evidently drank some kool-aid......

[aeblank]

Originally Posted by B and B

Ford has the most American content of any of the Big 3 Dessel Trucks. Reason why F Series is the Number 1 selling truck for 57 years! Owned by Americans! End of discussion!

Wrench Drop!

Or maybe because GM and Chevy are considered separate brands.

[emm-dee]

Originally Posted by jtesta1

No you don't. But you're money goes overseas not in American pockets.

Yep, some goes overseas. But most of it goes into the pockets of the thousands of USA folks who work there.

[SimchaSabre]

Originally Posted by emm-dee

Yep, some goes overseas. But most of it goes into the pockets of the thousands of USA folks who work there.

X2...and even more will stay in the US when FCA completes the Warren, Mi plant conversion for HDs currently being built in Mexico.

[Dave Lyon]

Originally Posted by aeblank

Or maybe because GM and Chevy are considered separate brands.

Yep.

[B and B]

Even adding Chevy and GMC they do not surpass Ford. Ford still beats the separate GMC/ Chevy brands by 60,000 trucks.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-october-2011/


And for Canada Ford F Series is number 1 as well.

https://driving.ca/ford/f-150/auto-n...-selling-truck


These are facts, not fake news or alternate made up facts.

Due to the closure of GM Oshawa no GMC/Chevy trucks are selling here where I live. People are downright mad about this publicly funded corporation closing.