Sidewinder/Revolution

[fire]

Interested in purchasing a fifth wheel Rockwood 8281ws. I have a 2011 Toyota Tundra Crew Max with the short bed (5.5 ft). Has anyone pulled a fifth wheel with this type of truck?

[TURBS]

your kidding right ?

[fire]

Rockwood is advertising that with the revolution pin box that you can tow the fifth wheel with a 5.5 ft bed. I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience with this.

[Rugged Brown]

I use the reese revolution on the 6'4" ram. No problems. works like a charm and still space to spare.

[TURBS]

Sidewinder I can see working.
It's the camper and truck combo id be worried about .

A 8281ws has a 8000 lb ship weight . Not including dealer add ons and your additions .
And a 1600 lb hitch weight.

[rcnhoward]

Originally Posted by fire

Interested in purchasing a fifth wheel Rockwood 8281ws. I have a 2011 Toyota Tundra Crew Max with the short bed (5.5 ft). Has anyone pulled a fifth wheel with this type of truck?

I think you would be over your rear axle weight rating, and your payload rating. I pull a 8281ss, that has a lower hitch weight with a 1500hd, 4.10 gears, and a 6.0 engine. I am close to max, fully loaded. It pulls it fine, would like a diesel. I have the 6.5 box, I don't use a slider or the revolution and have plenty of room to back up.

[RickV]

I use a sidewinder it is on a 8280SS with Ford F250 Shortbed Crewcab have lots of room to spare. It moves the pivot point back about 20". It also makes it easier to hookup. Not going to get into your truck thing. I used to have a Silverado 1500 and I remember some dealers would say "Yeah you can pull that with Silverado 1500". I would then laugh and walk out of the dealership.

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by rcnhoward

I think you would be over your rear axle weight rating, and your payload rating. I pull a 8281ss, that has a lower hitch weight with a 1500hd, 4.10 gears, and a 6.0 engine. I am close to max, fully loaded. It pulls it fine, would like a diesel. I have the 6.5 box, I don't use a slider or the revolution and have plenty of room to back up.

What year is your truck?

[Dave_Monica]

Originally Posted by rcnhoward

I think you would be over your rear axle weight rating, and your payload rating. I pull a 8281ss, that has a lower hitch weight with a 1500hd, 4.10 gears, and a 6.0 engine. I am close to max, fully loaded. It pulls it fine, would like a diesel. I have the 6.5 box, I don't use a slider or the revolution and have plenty of room to back up.

Just to note, the 1500HD was built on a 2500 series chassis with a 8600 lb GVWR and 6000 lb RAWR...definitely not a half ton.

Dave

[fire]

2011

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by fire

2011

Sorry man, just glancing at your online numbers for your truck and trailer and without anyone at this point doing the actual math that camper and your truck is not feasible.

[Dave_Monica]

Further, to what Turbo said, the 1600 lb dry pin weight on the 8281WS will be around 1800 lbs with the camper loaded, which would about max out the GVWR on most 3/4 ton diesel TV's. Definitely too much pin weight for the Tundra.

If you want to know what payload capacity you have available for pin weight, head to the scales with the truck full of fuel, passengers and gear. Get a weight for the front and rear axles and total...remember that you have to add about 175 lbs for a sliding hitch to the rear axle weight. The payload capacity by GVWR will the difference between the truck's GVWR and it's actual weight. You could also look at payload capacity by the rear axle weight rating (RAWR) which would be the difference between the truck's RAWR and the actual rear axle weight. Don't be surprised with a numbers in the 1000 - 1200 lb range.

If the RV sales rep claims these are 1/2 ton towable, all he's looking at is the max towing weight not payload. When it comes to 5W towing, payload is always the limiting factor, whether 1/2, 3/4 or 1 ton (SRW) trucks.

Dave

[1Texan]

You do not need a slider with the sidewinder, but if you are removing the standard pin box and replacing it with a sidewinder, the sidewinder is heavier than the standard pin box. That said, the additional weight of the sidewinder is less than the additional weight of a slider so the choice is yours. I opted for the sidewinger on my 5'8" bed. I agree with Turbo.... look very hard at the trucks numbers. Yes, I pull my 5'er with a "1/2 ton" truck but they really aren't created equal. I looked long and hard to find my GMC equiped with all the extra towing equipment and the 6.2 engine. They are few and far between.

[RodeoGeorge]

When my 8289WS arrives, one of the first things I'll be doing is replacing the Reese Sidewinder Pin Box with an Ultra Fab Trailair Air Ride Pin Box. The reason. I tow with a 3500 RAM Cab & Chassis with a Hauler Bed, and I want to mitigate the trucks stress on the trailer due to the truck's weight and inertia. That's something that I've not seen mentioned on the discussions about the coupling mechanisms.

Not as much of an issue with the half and three quarter ton vehicles, but a heavy one ton will jerk that Pin Box around a lot more.

Just waiting to get the numbers off of the Pin Box on the 8289WS to ensure that I order the correct Trailair.

RodeoGeorge

[ChooChooMan74]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

your kidding right ?

Turbs, be kind to the new kid in the neighborhood. :-)

Dude, great truck and great camper, but I think it is a little much for your truck. It is yours and you can do what you want. Others say the same with me. If you haven't purchased, hope you will look at your options again.

[rcnhoward]

Originally Posted by f1100turbo

what year is your truck?

2006

[TURBS]

Originally Posted by ChooChooMan74

Turbs, be kind to the new kid in the neighborhood. :-)

Dude, great truck and great camper, but I think it is a little much for your truck. It is yours and you can do what you want. Others say the same with me. If you haven't purchased, hope you will look at your options again.

Well at first I truly thought he was joking.
Then realized he wasn't .
Apologies for that.

Turbs

[whj77372]

The RV makers do list some of the 5ers as half ton towable, they are not. My V-Cross 275 fiver has a GVWR of 9,980 lbs and with pin weight of just under 2,000 lbs, I would not even try that. Good Luck

[garbonz]

Roger that.

[garbonz]

Oh but how nice does the 275 VRL, work with a 2500hd duramax. It's just right, IMO.