Silverado Diesel

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by VernDiesel

I’ve read generally the emmissions stuff is 8 years or 80k as is federally mandated.

5/50K on HD vehicles, GVWR over 8500. Page 17.

http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Fo...US_09_2016.pdf

[BandJCarm]

Originally Posted by Mad Cow

Are you really that far out of the loop? Modern diesels do not use catalytic converters. A modern diesel has a myriad of emissions related items.

EGR is a common item, but diesel version requires also EGR cooler units. Unlike gassers, diesels have Selective Catalytic Reduction units that include DEF injectors and adding of DEF liquid periodically. And diesels also have DPF units that capture soot and occasionally has to burn it off. These systems add roughly $5000 to the cost. And any one of them failing will require a tow of your vehicle to shop. An EGR cooler failure can destroy an engine.

I know they don't use catalytic converters! I mentioned that to merely state that gasoline engines have some 'emissions crap' that is not really needed to function, also. It's not JUST diesels that have 'emissions crap'. That was my only point with that.

At 100,000 miles, I'll let everyone know whether/if my diesel was more or less money to maintain/repair. It may be. It may not be. So far, it's far less than my gasoline engine 1/2 truck. And I need a diesel, so I have a diesel, so it costs what it costs. I have an extended warranty if it goes nuts.

[timfromma]

My Silverado diesel is approaching the 100k mile mark and have never had to perform any service outside of standard maintenance.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by BandJCarm

And I need a diesel, so I have a diesel, so it costs what it costs.

This makes every other concern a moot point for you. Unfortunately, there are many people that own diesels but don't really need one- and they're banking on getting to 300K+ with ZERO expenses. Some of them will, some of them won't. The ones that don't are in for some very costly repairs. I decided I didn't NEED a diesel, so I ditched mine. Only took the one ~$3400 warranty-covered repair at ~18K miles on the emissions system to make me realize that I did NOT want that happening to me at 50,001 miles!!!

[BandJCarm]

I do understand that.

But......I think it's unfair to lay such concern solely at the feet of a diesel. I have had MAJOR issues with gasoline engines too, very costly. Everything has sensors these days. Lots of complications everywhere. I need both kinds of trucks, so I have both. But so far, the gas truck costs way more to maintain. I realize YMMV.

[dustman_stx]

Originally Posted by BandJCarm

I do understand that.

But......I think it's unfair to lay such concern solely at the feet of a diesel. I have had MAJOR issues with gasoline engines too, very costly. Everything has sensors these days. Lots of complications everywhere. I need both kinds of trucks, so I have both. But so far, the gas truck costs way more to maintain. I realize YMMV.

That one emissions control failure that was covered under warranty for me was almost as much as EVERY other repair (warranty and out-of-pocket combined) I've had combined on ALL other vehicles I've owned since 1996 or so! That includes 9 gas vehicles and 2 diesels that I owned for probably close to 500K miles. If you exclude the 1 transmission I had to have repaired because of my "youthful" driving, it would be more. So, yes, my mileage does vary considerably.

[Mad Cow]

I lay a lot at the feet of diesels. I go thru roughly 20,000 gallons of diesel a year for my commercial needs. And when the emissions stuff started getting piled on diesels, my purchase costs and operating cost went up dramatically. Since a gasser 3/4 ton meets my personal needs, a diesel pickup for my garage will not happen.

The only possible advantage of diesel is mpg. But that is relative. A Dmax 2500 might average 22mpg, but diesel is $3.20 a gallon in my area. Sure, my gasser only averages 14 mpg on regular gas and 11-12 on E85 fuel, but E85 is going between $1.60 and $1.70 in my area. The actual cost per mile between my gasser and the same pickup with a Dmax is essentially a wash. And my gasser 2500 was $5000 - $6000 cheaper to buy.

Just change the numbers to reflect the 1500 and it works out the same. Getting a diesel 1/2 ton can hardly be justified. It really is a social statement and bragging rights.

[VernDiesel]

Picking a small diesel to tow had zero to do with any kind of social statement for me. Some state governments with other political objectives have jacked the taxes up on diesel so high that diesel does become cost prohibitive unless absolutely needed. CA & PA are taxed like crazy routinely being over $3 a gallon. Here is Oklahoma City it’s not hard to find it for $2.49.

But if you don’t like a diesel 1/2 ton don’t buy one. It will be well received & a success at only 5 to 10 percent of 1/2 ton sales. Gas will remain the bread & butter for halfers. No worries choice is a good thing.