Silverback 33RL with F-250 6.7 Diesel

islanders70 · 06-29-2014, 09:27 AM

I am already looking at upgrading and only been camping 2 months for about 7 weeks. Have towed the 831RKBSS around 2000 miles with F-150 Max Tow package and get a little too much porposing for my blood. Have added Firestone airbags and have Propride hitch.

That being said, am on the brink of buying an 2014 F-250 6.7 Diesel and a Silverback 33RL. Have read all the towing books and believe this to be a safe tow, but would like to be able to go to the mountains, east or west and not worry about towing. Thought about a dually but don't want to go that unless it is absolutely necessary.

I would love to hear from anyone pulling a 33RL with a 250 or 2500 diesel so as not to make another mistake!

Thanks

campingwilliamsons · 06-29-2014, 10:18 AM

The published dry hitch weight for that trailer is more than any of the current Diesel 3/4 ton CrewCab trucks can haul. It is less than $500.00 to go to a F350. The payload difference on a CrewCab 4x4 F250 vs F350 is ~2100lbs (F250) vs 3550 (F350). Payload will be your killer if you go F250.

FWIW, I just went through this exercise buying my new truck. All the "3/4 ton" CrewCab Diesel trucks had payload values below 2200 lbs. Your only challenge wilbe finding a 2014 Shortbed. As of a month ago, there where only three Short bed F350's left in the Greater Houston area (including a 100 miles buffer outside of the true metro area). I bought one them, so now there are two. I am not sure what the availability will be like in FL, but it seems most F350s are long beds (even the 2015s).

golfmedik · 06-29-2014, 09:07 PM

Agreed. For nearly the same money, go with a 350 and be done with it for good.

campingwilliamsons · 06-29-2014, 10:03 PM

Also, don't pay attention the values listed in a marketing brochure. All those brochures (trailer and truck) all assume the bare minimum of options. Both the truck and the trailer will have payload placards that will list the actual payload capacity. The trailer will also have the dry weight as it left the factory.

Truck location: Driver's side B-Pillar at the bottom ("door jamb")
Trailer location: Drivers side, usually on the wall near the VIN placard. Mine in on the propane cargo door.

DDC · 07-01-2014, 12:41 PM

Disappointing that no one with a 33RL responded to this I thought it was a good question you asked.

goduc · 07-01-2014, 04:08 PM

I'd have no problem towing that with my 2500 Ram. I know what I pack and I'd be around 12,000 loaded. Pin @2400lbs. I have a RAWR of 6195lbs. Dry rear weight is around 2800lbs. That leaves me 3400lbs. 3400-2400=1000lbs under RAWR. YMMV

Since the OP is towing in FL take a look at the 14 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi with 4.10. 3000lbs+/- for payload. 15,400 tow rating and 22,500 GCVWR

jimmac28 · 07-01-2014, 05:35 PM

Don't worry you will be fine with that truck, I tow a 33 RL with a F250, 6.2Lt gas and have no trouble. I tow in Illinois, Indiana and Kentucky, It's a great trailer, you get so much for your money.

With the Diesel you will have no trouble going up mountains down valleys by rivers and lakes. Have fun with that setup you don't need a dually.

kc8lvy · 07-01-2014, 05:45 PM

I have a Dodge 2500 and tow a 2013 Silverback 33rl and have had no problems. I will be headed to Florida with it in August.

goduc · 07-01-2014, 05:51 PM

OP might want to make sure of the trucks GVWR and UVW. I've seen some F250 6.7's with 1972lbs for CCC. When you get into the King Ranch trim you really loose payload. In that sense a 6.2 with 4.30's would be better suited.

richp · 07-01-2014, 06:01 PM

Hi,

I tow a 2014 Silverback 33RL with a 2009 K-2500 Duramax Chevy, standard cab, standard bed.

I don't have the weight ticket handy, but IIRC, when I had it on a commercial scale for the first time, I came in about 2,000# under trailer axle capacity, and almost dead even on the truck's capacity. That weight was taken with full fuel, my wife and I in the cab, all our clothing and kitchen stuff on board, a third of a tank of fresh water, and empty black and gray tanks.

My response was to move the spare from the front compartment to a rear bumper mount, and to shift tools and other heavy items from the front compartment to the rear of the cross-compartment. My goal was to shift weight from the pin to the axles, and get a little margin on the truck's GVW. I haven't weighed it since that redistribution, but I'm pretty confident that as long as I don't travel with a lot of water that I'll be fine weight-wise.

FWIW -- hope this helps.

Rich Phillips

campingwilliamsons · 07-01-2014, 07:21 PM

Single Cab "3/4 ton" will be fine. 4x4 CrewCab and he will be over the ratings. Will it do it, without a doubt any of the three 3/4 ton trucks will tow it. Will it do it and be with the payload/GVWR, that will depend on cab config and powertrain.

Also, since the OP is already showing the signs of upgrade-itis, and my personal experience is that that disease is hard to cure, going to the 1 ton would ensure at least 1 round of trailer upgrades without issue, HA!

islanders70 · 07-06-2014, 02:06 PM

OK, I am thankful for all the responses. So here are my numbers for F-350 6.7 4x4 CC SRW: GVWR 11400, Payload 3970, My wife and I weigh in at 310, the majority of that is me! A Reese fifth wheel hitch is about 250. and around 300 for fuel. that makes it ~8389 pounds(including 7935 curb weight). That being said, My max actual hitch weight will be around 3011 lbs. and my GCVR would be 23500, minus 8389 leaves max 5'er at 15111 max which is a little less than what is advertised. I am looking at a 2015 Silverback 33RL with a hitch weight of 2015 and dry weight of 10415, and after loading it up to the max, hitch weight of ~2800 at 14015 lbs. I know I am being anal about this but have been burned on my F-150 not being able to safely tow a Flagstaff 831RLBSS. I think after hearing all the above comments, I am good with the F-350! Hope these numbers are right, if anyone sees a glich in the numbers, please speak up as I am going to buy the F-350 tomorrow, maybe even the 33RL.

richp · 07-06-2014, 02:26 PM

Hi,

2014 33RL here again.

IIRC, sort of working backwards, loaded I had about 9,800# on the axles, and about 3.000 in the truck (pin, passengers and fuel). This was a '09 Chevy K-2500 Duramax standard cab, standard bed, which they rate at 9.200#, even though the axle ratings total about 9,800. (Wish I had that weigh ticket and access to the truck to read its sticker).

So your 3,011 payload estimate is in the same range as my actual number. With that GGWR on the truck, I'd say you're going to be fine. Have fun working those dealers over for good prices!!!

Rich Phillips

ARV Dave · 07-16-2014, 02:06 PM

I invested in a set of Super Springs and installed them myself before I picked up my new unit.
It sits more level and rides more stable than most one ton units
Stability at speeds over 70 mph is not a problem.
Can send a pic if you need
My pin weight is over 2150 and the truck height changes 1.9 inches

goduc · 07-16-2014, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ARV Dave

I invested in a set of Super Springs and installed them myself before I picked up my new unit.
It sits more level and rides more stable than most one ton units
Stability at speeds over 70 mph is not a problem.
Can send a pic if you need
My pin weight is over 2150 and the truck height changes 1.9 inches

I hope you're running LT tires and not ST on your trailer.

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