surprised at what I read

[NMWildcat]

Originally Posted by windsurfdog

And your point?

Ha! You beat me to it. There is no point......

[TheWolfPaq82]

They have the 2018 Durango as capable of towing about 9000 lbs.

[TheWolfPaq82]

Originally Posted by Iwannacamp

I don't think the police get all fired up on the 10% over CCC capacity... it is the 1/2T or 3/4T people towing a 12-13-14,000 lb 5er with a truck that isn't very safe. Some TVs will allow the heavier loads, but some won't. See it here all the time.

My 3/4 is more than capable of towing 13,000 lbs.

[Sterlingsilver]

X2 on the 3/4

[Cowracer]

Originally Posted by windsurfdog

Absolutely missing your point...oh well...

Cause... the same people who publish that mag also makes an obscene amount of money selling 'half-ton towable' 5ers.

Publishing info that contradicts their salesmen when they say "Your F150 can tow 11k pounds, it can tow this 10,800 pound 5er no problem" is not conductive to making sales.

Tim

[Iwannacamp]

Originally Posted by TheWolfPaq82

My 3/4 is more than capable of towing 13,000 lbs.

Mine won’t. If the pin weight is at 20%(which many aren’t) then I’m at 2600# which is only 535# more than the cargo of 2065# advertised. Tow? Yes. 13,500 on tow weight and 23,500 max gross. Thus I am stuck with a lite 5er, TT or a new TV. YMMV

[windsurfdog]

Originally Posted by TheWolfPaq82

They have the 2018 Durango as capable of towing about 9000 lbs.

Your statement makes it sound like TL is putting out false information. Dodge lists the 2018 Durango as having a max towing capacity of 8700# for properly equipped vehicles. If you think Dodge is being deceptive, target your comments appropriately.

Originally Posted by Cowracer

Cause... the same people who publish that mag also makes an obscene amount of money selling 'half-ton towable' 5ers.

Publishing info that contradicts their salesmen when they say "Your F150 can tow 11k pounds, it can tow this 10,800 pound 5er no problem" is not conductive to making sales.

Tim

I see your point though there is a definite bias inferred with the "obscene amount of money" phrase. Yes, TL, trailer manufacturers, trailer dealerships, trailer dealers, truck manufacturers, truck dealerships, truck dealers are trying to sell their wares. Some stretch the truth, some are very truthful, some care about nothing but making a sale. It's up to consumers to ferret out the truth. To imply TL is deliberately deceiving readers is a bit harsh.

[Sterlingsilver]

My Camping World dealer absolutely would not sell me the 5er I wanted because my truck wasn't rated to tow it.

[Cowracer]

Originally Posted by windsurfdog

Your statement makes it sound like TL is putting out false information. Dodge lists the 2018 Durango as having a max towing capacity of 8700# for properly equipped vehicles. If you think Dodge is being deceptive, target your comments appropriately.



I see your point though there is a definite bias inferred with the "obscene amount of money" phrase. Yes, TL, trailer manufacturers, trailer dealerships, trailer dealers, truck manufacturers, truck dealerships, truck dealers are trying to sell their wares. Some stretch the truth, some are very truthful, some care about nothing but making a sale. It's up to consumers to ferret out the truth. To imply TL is deliberately deceiving readers is a bit harsh.

It's not deception, it's omission. Bear in mind that Good Sam Inc. would have to sell hundreds, if not thousands of subscriptions to make the same $$$ as it does on one camper sale, you can see what drives them to not be totally forthcoming with that particular set of data.

Its called "Knowing what side your bread is buttered on". I can' really fault them for it. It's has a taint of being shady, but business is business.

tim

[elind]

Originally Posted by Sterlingsilver

My Camping World dealer absolutely would not sell me the 5er I wanted because my truck wasn't rated to tow it.

My dealer would sell me something too heavy for my TV but would have me sign waiver saying they warned me that it was overweight.

[PenJoe]

Originally Posted by cody1884

Payload of a truck varies from truck to truck depending on options, engine and trans etc. There is no way to publish an accurate pay load of every truck configuration built. It is printed on the drivers side door jam on a yellow stick. It is still owner responsibility too tow within the weight limits of his or her equipment.

X2

[Greg in michigan]

That for every 1000' you go up in elevation you have to subtract 500 pounds of towing capacity because of the thin air.

I also once had a truck salesman tell me the trail blazer which can tow 7500 pounds would toe my 6000 pound empty trailer. he said I be fine.
I went with the Nissan Titan with a towing capacity of 9400 pounds. It does fine going from Michigan to Florida over the Appalachian mountains but I'm not so sure I would go over the rocky mountains with this toe vehicle. Your thoughts?
Have a Jesus filled day
Greg in Michigan

[Restcure]

Originally Posted by Sterlingsilver

My Camping World dealer absolutely would not sell me the 5er I wanted because my truck wasn't rated to tow it.

C'mon, you expect us to believe that? Better produce some video or else it never happened!

[dbledan]

In general publishing CCC would be about as valuable as published dry weights on trailers....it would be best case with lots of exceptions and would only be right for maybe one vehicle and the vast majority would be lower. The problem is people would use that like they do dry weights to justify towing something they likely shouldn't.

[Cowracer]

Originally Posted by Greg in michigan

That for every 1000' you go up in elevation you have to subtract 500 pounds of towing capacity because of the thin air.

I also once had a truck salesman tell me the trail blazer which can tow 7500 pounds would toe my 6000 pound empty trailer. he said I be fine.
I went with the Nissan Titan with a towing capacity of 9400 pounds. It does fine going from Michigan to Florida over the Appalachian mountains but I'm not so sure I would go over the rocky mountains with this toe vehicle. Your thoughts?
Have a Jesus filled day
Greg in Michigan

Not a consideration on a turbocharged engine, however...

Tim

[Sterlingsilver]

Originally Posted by Restcure

C'mon, you expect us to believe that? Better produce some video or else it never happened!

Yeah, you are right. I did buy that 5er (and a new truck).

[saus]

Originally Posted by cody1884

Payload of a truck varies from truck to truck depending on options, engine and trans etc. There is no way to publish an accurate pay load of every truck configuration built. It is printed on the drivers side door jam on a yellow stick. It is still owner responsibility too tow within the weight limits of his or her equipment.

I would never expect a magazine to be able to post all of the CCC for every truck, nor did I ever mention that they should have. I was just surprised that the CCC was never even mentioned or suggested that it could be something to consider.

[GalsofEscape]

Originally Posted by Greg in michigan

That for every 1000' you go up in elevation you have to subtract 500 pounds of towing capacity because of the thin air.

I also once had a truck salesman tell me the trail blazer which can tow 7500 pounds would toe my 6000 pound empty trailer. he said I be fine.
I went with the Nissan Titan with a towing capacity of 9400 pounds. It does fine going from Michigan to Florida over the Appalachian mountains but I'm not so sure I would go over the rocky mountains with this toe vehicle. Your thoughts?
Have a Jesus filled day
Greg in Michigan

i would - in fact I just did it this summer with my set up - My Durango has a tow rating of 7200 lbs (though I really want the new 2018 D that can do 8700 lbs LOL). I am pulling a 6000 lb hybrid camper (that is actual loaded weight not dry), the max altitude we saw was just over 11,000 ft at the Eisenhower tunnel on I70. Granted, I stayed on the interstate but was very happy with the way the Durango towed that camper up the grade and on the way down the engine braking handled the speed so well that I did not have to apply the brake hardly at all.

[Jim34RL]

Originally Posted by saus

The latest trailer life magazine issued a 2018 tow ratings for most vehicles but never mentions the cargo capacity for any of them.
For some reason this magazine is still coming to my house so I look through it. The latest issue came with a 2018 towing guide. The guide first states that tow-vehicles come in various configurations such as cab size, bed length, engine types, etc. It then states that these are key components that affect tow ratings. It then states that tires, fluid coolers, and suspension are other key factors. Then the chart gives you the vehicle, engine type, and tow limit. That's it. Nowhere does it mention cargo capacity. This seems misleading to me. Many people may look at this and think that they can get a large camper because the towing guide says that the vehicle will pull it.
Just an observation that I thought was interesting. God bless. Have a great day.

Will let me jump into this and answer your question to the best of my very limited knowledge as a retired engineer.

Why? Because the SAE J2807 Towing requirements do not required the CCC for towing a trailer! Here is a article from Truck Trend that explains the test and the requirements: SAE J2807 Tow Tests - The Standard

The "weight police" do not like the SAE testing requirements because it invalidates a lot of their beliefs that have been born on the internet.

[Restcure]

Originally Posted by saus

I would never expect a magazine to be able to post all of the CCC for every truck, nor did I ever mention that they should have. I was just surprised that the CCC was never even mentioned or suggested that it could be something to consider.

Originally Posted by Jim34RL

Will let me jump into this and answer your question to the best of my very limited knowledge as a retired engineer.

Why? Because the SAE J2807 Towing requirements do not required the CCC for towing a trailer! Here is a article from Truck Trend that explains the test and the requirements: SAE J2807 Tow Tests - The Standard

The "weight police" do not like the SAE testing requirements because it invalidates a lot of their beliefs that have been born on the internet.

I don't think anyone disputing that J2807 is a towing standard that does not take payload into account.

However, most trucks, loaded for camping and towing trailers loaded for camping, will run out of payload before they run out of towing capacity. This a fact based borne out by specifications and mathematics.

I agree with the OP. Payload should be part of the conversation about matching truck to trailer.