Thinking of buying a Ram 1500 Eco Diesel - Page 3

DieselDrax · 03-15-2018, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaadk

If you're doing a straight trade for trade, then sure, but if I'm reading this right, it's going to cost you at least $30,000 to save $47. That means it'll take 639 fillups (30,000/47) to break even, or 415,350 miles (at your 650 miles per tank).

I think you're misreading, he's saying the trucks he's looking at are going for $30k-$35k so he'd be out the difference between his HEMI Ram and whatever ED he traded for. Then it's a matter of determining how long it would take to recover that difference based on fuel savings.

Hersbird · 03-15-2018, 03:25 PM

The 2014 ED I looked at had 175k on it and looked good. I saw another one at 205k but had a timing chain issue that had been fixed in it's past. Not as good as the 275k on my Cummins but it isn't like it has been trouble free it's whole life. Just replacing the injectors with new Bosch units is over $5000 and they dont usually go more than 150k on the common rail 5.9s everybody loves so much.

DieselDrax · 03-15-2018, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersbird

Just replacing the injectors with new Bosch units is over $5000 and they dont usually go more than 150k on the common rail 5.9s everybody loves so much.

$5,000 is insane. You can get OEM remans for $1500 for all 6. All new internals and a warranty. Brand new Bosch injectors are $2000 for all 6.

Whoever charged/quoted $5,000 is out of their mind.

Hopefully you're running a FASS or AirDog and using something like Power Service to keep everything clean and well-lubricated if you already had your injectors replaced.

Kaadk · 03-15-2018, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselDrax

I think you're misreading, he's saying the trucks he's looking at are going for $30k-$35k so he'd be out the difference between his HEMI Ram and whatever ED he traded for. Then it's a matter of determining how long it would take to recover that difference based on fuel savings.

Oh, my mistake, went back and re-read that. Around here EDs are going for nearly 60,000 (Cdn), so being 30,000 above and beyond his trade made sense. Yeah, I'd need to the out of pocket amount of Cost-Trade to determine home many miles of fuel saving before it makes up the difference.

straightlinespeed · 03-15-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselDrax

So you're only getting 12mpg EMPTY with your Hemi? Ouch! Probably 8-10 towing?

If that is true then your numbers are correct. However, if you're getting 12mpg towing and expecting 25mpg towing with the ED then you are way off as that will never happen. 12-15mpg towing with the ED is realistic, 25-28 empty is also realistic with no hills.

Sorry I was referring to current mileage no trailer. This winter I've been getting about 12mpg, so I guessed the ED would be getting 25mpg

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Originally Posted by Kaadk

If you're doing a straight trade for trade, then sure, but if I'm reading this right, it's going to cost you at least $30,000 to save $47. That means it'll take 639 fillups (30,000/47) to break even, or 415,350 miles (at your 650 miles per tank).

No actual difference would be 5-15k depending on the truck.

PenJoe · 03-15-2018, 05:34 PM

If you are looking to trade primarily for economy, you may want to look at the entire field of trucks, and not necessarily diesel.

We previously had a Ram and it was a great truck except for one flaw. It couldn't pass a gas station. To avoid a brand war, I will just say we bought from the competition. We went from about 8 mpg without towing with the Ram to an average of 18-21 mpg depending on how we are driving. Towing takes it down to 9-11 mpg.

Our son-n-law has a newer Ram hemi. He likes the truck, but his big complaint is gas mileage. He doesn't tow.

FWIW.

Hersbird · 03-15-2018, 06:11 PM

Who ever is selling brand new Bosch for $2000 is hugely questionable. Many have been brand new Bosch, but 12 year old stock designed for marine application or some such nonsense. I would believe $3000 but you also need new tubes and a new gasket with harness and they don't put themselves in.

D. J. Schuler · 03-15-2018, 07:45 PM

Something to look at - diesel and gas payload stickers on the driver door jams. Plan two (TT/5r) RVs ahead then consider 3500/F350 diesel otherwise you'll be two TVs behind.

DieselDrax · 03-15-2018, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hersbird

Who ever is selling brand new Bosch for $2000 is hugely questionable. Many have been brand new Bosch, but 12 year old stock designed for marine application or some such nonsense. I would believe $3000 but you also need new tubes and a new gasket with harness and they don't put themselves in.

The prices I quoted are from well-known shops that are Bosch certified. No way there’s an additional $3000 in labor and ancillary parts. I’d believe $3000 out the door from a good shop, but not $5000.

I do my own work whenever possible, have saved myself countless dollars over the years and I know the work is done right.

Hersbird · 03-15-2018, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselDrax

The prices I quoted are from well-known shops that are Bosch certified. No way there’s an additional $3000 in labor and ancillary parts. I’d believe $3000 out the door from a good shop, but not $5000.

I do my own work whenever possible, have saved myself countless dollars over the years and I know the work is done right.

Yeah, they have finally come down and I will do my own work. The average guy going in to the average diesel shop is going to get hit with at least $4k but 3+ years ago $5k was common if you could even get a supply of ne Bosch injectors. One reason why so many went with high volume aftermarket injectors. Seeing as how I plan on trading the truck, if I do injectors I will use remains but I'm not convinced I even need them for sure. If I was keeping the truck I would swap a whole used 6.7 in instead of doing injectors. They dont have near the issue with injectors and lower mile examples are easy to find compared to the 5.9.

The_Rhino · 03-15-2018, 08:57 PM

In 2013 I bought a 2 year-old Ram 2500 CC w/5.7 Hemi & payload of 3000 for $14,000. I get 15-17 mpg on my daily commute & 8mpg towing. The price-difference between my $14K gasser & a used Ecodiesel will pay for a LOT of gas...

The tank holds 33 gal. so we can go about 4 hours between stops. With a family of 5 & 1 dog, that's about all our combined bladders can handle...

IMO you can upgrade to a 2500 w/5.7 or 6.4 Hemi for not much more than the resell value of a 1500 w/5.7Hemi.

Our 6,400 (empty) TT has an empty tongue weight of 650 but loaded it's 8,000 w/loaded tongue of 1200... Our family of 5 adds another 600 which would take us pass the payload of every Ecodiesel... However, with payload of 3000 we bring what we want in the 2500 & keep it dry under a fiberglass cap....

2Bryans · 03-16-2018, 02:08 AM

I have a Longhorn Edition ‘16 ED with all the bells and whistles. Found it barely used and bought it a year ago. My TT is a 266 Surveyor that I’m sure loaded is over 7000#. It tows my TT up and down hills, and stops it when it has to, at 13-15 mpg. I bought my ED 1/2 ton for comfort, fuel economy, and use it mainly as an every day ride. I have put 33,000 miles on it this year...and I have no issues. 90% of those miles were not towing. IMHO it is the perfect truck for me. I love it. Haven’t towed in the Rockies, but have been all over the Ozarks towing. It has done great. Made one trip to West coast, not towing, but with a load of furniture in the bed...4000 mile trip, and averaged 27 mpg. This has been my hands on experience. I think you will be fine with your rig. If your Hemi tows it fine (the ED has more torque than the Hemi V-8) then I wouldn’t worry. Now, if I was full-timing and towing cross country a lot, I might look at a 3/4 Cummins, but I’m satisfied with what my EcoDiesel can do.

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