Tongue weight capacity on tow vehicle

[Virginian]

Originally Posted by AlaskaErik

Here you go.

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Thanks. Now how did you do that? I thought I tried everything!

[AlaskaErik]

Originally Posted by Virginian

Thanks. Now how did you do that? I thought I tried everything!

Pull up the picture in your pictures folder and there is a "Rotate" icon at the top. Then just save it after you rotate the picture. That only works on a PC. No idea if you have a Mac.

[dm6]

Well I am glad I posted this as it gives me something else to think about. Lot of number crunching here, lots of shuffling around to stay within payloads...in the end I won't be surprised if I end up with a brand new 3/4 ton or 1/2 ton with a max tow package so I don't have to worry about cutting it close or what I can and can't bring. I may eventually put a topper on it too which would add another couple hundred pounds. I don't need all the bells and whistles and was surprised to see some in the mid $40's which doesn't seem so bad when a used half ton is in the mid $30's! Anyways, thanks for the extra help and when I figure out what I am going to do, I will report back!

[bikendan]

dm6, getting only the Max Tow package is not necessarily going to increase the truck's payload capacity. That's what the HDPP does and it comes with the Max Tow package automatically.
My XLT has the Max Tow package only and my payload is only 1828lbs.

[NJKris]

Originally Posted by ARhappycamper

Isn't that tongue weight listed as the max without WDH ? I mean, isn't that number null and void with a WDH ? That is how it is listed on the receiver hitch on an F150 - Max tongue weight without WDH.

I like that Ford put out a yearly towing guide, that shows all allowable towing numbers, including max tongue weights for every vehicle they make. And any additional information, like a WDH is necessary for the higher weight limits some vehicles are capable of. And some vehicles only have a 500 lb tongue limit, WDH or not.

[dm6]

Originally Posted by bikendan

dm6, getting only the Max Tow package is not necessarily going to increase the truck's payload capacity. That's what the HDPP does and it comes with the Max Tow package automatically.
My XLT has the Max Tow package only and my payload is only 1828lbs.

May as well go with a 3/4 then, it is actually cheaper. Even if I don't drive it much, I kept my last one 20 years so maybe the patter will repeat!

[AlaskaErik]

Originally Posted by bikendan

dm6, getting only the Max Tow package is not necessarily going to increase the truck's payload capacity. That's what the HDPP does and it comes with the Max Tow package automatically.
My XLT has the Max Tow package only and my payload is only 1828lbs.

In GM half tons the max tow packages ups GVWR by 200 lbs and GCVWR by 2800 lbs. So it does make a difference with our trucks.

[dm6]

Erik,

While it seems to be pretty rare to find a used max tow Silverado, I happened to see one advertised at a local dealer. 2018 1500 LTZ with 25k miles like yours for $47,500. There is also a brand new 2021 Silverado 2500 HD Custom for that same price. Now granted, the LTZ is going to be loaded but I don't need leather and all the bells and whistles, and at least it is not the WT trim. Maybe I will go check it out. However, things sure rose quickly from the $30-$35k I was initially hoping to spend for a used 1500

Originally Posted by AlaskaErik

In GM half tons the max tow packages ups GVWR by 200 lbs and GCVWR by 2800 lbs. So it does make a difference with our trucks.

[AlaskaErik]

Originally Posted by dm6

Erik,

While it seems to be pretty rare to find a used max tow Silverado, I happened to see one advertised at a local dealer. 2018 1500 LTZ with 25k miles like yours for $47,500. There is also a brand new 2021 Silverado 2500 HD Custom for that same price. Now granted, the LTZ is going to be loaded but I don't need leather and all the bells and whistles, and at least it is not the WT trim. Maybe I will go check it out. However, things sure rose quickly from the $30-$35k I was initially hoping to spend for a used 1500

Just be aware that the 2018 will be the previous generation model. 2019 saw the introduction of a totally redesigned Silverado/Sierra 1500. For the 2500/3500 HD models, 2020 saw the introduction of a totally resigned Silverado/Sierra.

[Mountaineer1954]

My 2018 F-150 Super Crew has a 5.0L engine a tow package and a rated towing capacity well in excess of 9,000lbs. That's a ridiculous number. Where do they come up with these towing capacities ?

[bikendan]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1954

My 2018 F-150 Super Crew has a 5.0L engine a tow package and a rated towing capacity well in excess of 9,000lbs. That's a ridiculous number. Where do they come up with these towing capacities ?

It doesn't really matter because 1/2 tons almost always run out of payload WAY before reaching the max towing capacity.
That's why payload capacity is more important than towing capacity.
My F150 has a towing capacity over 11,000lbs but even with a payload capacity of 1828lbs, I'll still run of payload before reaching that 11,000 number.

[chriscowles]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1954

My 2018 F-150 Super Crew has a 5.0L engine a tow package and a rated towing capacity well in excess of 9,000lbs. That's a ridiculous number. Where do they come up with these towing capacities ?

If it were a 4-wheel farm wagon you'd probably exceed towing capacity before payload capacity. So, it can be done. It just doesn't work that way for most of us.

[Boomerweps]

Originally Posted by dm6

Is this on the actual hitch? If so, then that would be a limitation of the hitch and not the truck, right?

Late to the party. Nope. GM a few years back started using this towing sticker in place of the Load capacity sticker most are familiar with. Unlike Ford, no cross referencing to figure out your GCVR or towing limits, it’s right there on your truck FOR your specific truck. It simplifies so much.

[Boomerweps]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1954

My 2018 F-150 Super Crew has a 5.0L engine a tow package and a rated towing capacity well in excess of 9,000lbs. That's a ridiculous number. Where do they come up with these towing capacities ?

Once they determine the GCWR, they subtract the curb weight with a full tank, and two occupants (150# driver, one 150# passenger), and list the remainder as Towing capacity. So other than mentioned, nothing is in the truck when towing at listed capacity.
Makes for better, bigger advertising numbers!

My similar truck is rated at 9100# per Ford Towing guide. After weighing my daily load out, subtracted from GCWR, I’m down to 8710#. 380# lost, but I may have added me into that. Makes more sense, I’m 215, that I have 165# of crap in the truck vice 380#.

[dm6]

Originally Posted by Boomerweps

Once they determine the GCWR, they subtract the curb weight with a full tank, and two occupants (150# driver, one 150# passenger), and list the remainder as Towing capacity. So other than mentioned, nothing is in the truck when towing at listed capacity.
Makes for better, bigger advertising numbers!

My similar truck is rated at 9100# per Ford Towing guide. After weighing my daily load out, subtracted from GCWR, I’m down to 8710#. 380# lost, but I may have added me into that. Makes more sense, I’m 215, that I have 165# of crap in the truck vice 380#.

Where did you get the subtracting for two occupants? Everything I have read says payload only accounts for a full tank of gas and all fluids but not for any occupants, even the driver.

[Boomerweps]

Originally Posted by dm6

Where did you get the subtracting for two occupants? Everything I have read says payload only accounts for a full tank of gas and all fluids but not for any occupants, even the driver.

Correct. TWO separate items. Towing capacity & Load Capacity.
Load Capacity is equal to GVWR minus curb weight with full tank.
SAE Towing Capacity test standards allow for two 150# occupants & also supposed to account for a 70# WDH if needed for that rating. Previous Ford towing guides allowed for a single 150# driver, 2021 added a single 150# passenger, too. Still no mention there of the 70# hitch.

[AlaskaErik]

Originally Posted by dm6

Where did you get the subtracting for two occupants? Everything I have read says payload only accounts for a full tank of gas and all fluids but not for any occupants, even the driver.

He's talking about max tow rating, not payload capacity.