Tow vehicle capacity concern

[breezyhillfarm]

Originally Posted by doc73

Too answer you both PA does. I CAN weight any truck, noncommercial or not, to make sure it's under axel weight. Do it to those trucks that load an 150 with 3 tons of mulch or whatever makes it ride the bumpstops.

Regardless, it's whether you can stop it going down Pike's Peak, not whether you can pull it across the Walmart parking lot.

[doc73]

Originally Posted by ependydad

Medicinally, it's legal there now- right? Let's talk weed!

It is but in pill oil or tincture form only... No just SMOKIN THE REFER here... Now if they would decriminalize it like they did in Philly that would be nice. A lot less of wasted tax dollars then.

[doc73]

Originally Posted by breezyhillfarm

Regardless, it's whether you can stop it going down Pike's Peak, not whether you can pull it across the Walmart parking lot.

You are right... Seen many a person move their RV with their lawn mower in the yard.. Heck a Yota can pull a space shuttle!!

[ependydad]

Originally Posted by breezyhillfarm

Regardless, it's whether you can stop it going down Pike's Peak, not whether you can pull it across the Walmart parking lot.

But those hairpin turns on Pike's Peak, though.

[doc73]

OH WOW! That looks scary...

[Charles Allen]

From all these different rules, laws, and regulations, it's no wonder were so screwed up

[timfromma]

I wonder what my insurance company would say if I got into an accident with an overloaded truck?

[doc73]

Originally Posted by timfromma

I wonder what my insurance company would say if I got into an accident with an overloaded truck?

That would be another 15 page thread...

[Philos3]

"Let's talk weed!"

Maybe that is why so many posts don't make any sense.

[jeffster]

Sorry a little late to the party here, but as far as towing (not payload) capacity, I went round and round with GM over this for my 2016 2500HD. I'll just copy and paste the email I sent to one of the really good fleet dealers, and then his response from GM. Maybe this is helpful for someone, but if not, just ignore.

My email:
I am really struggling to find a true tow rating for my truck. It is a 2016 Sierra 2500HD crew cab Denali standard box 4WD. So what is throwing me off is the owner’s manual shows 13,900 for limit, as does the 2016 GM Towing Guide. However, the 2015 GM towing guide for the exact same truck shows 17,100. I talked to GM Customer Service on Friday and they couldn’t figure it out, which is sort of frustrating. I have tried 2 other dealer service departments as well and they have given me various answers, but nothing I would bank on.

Here are the manuals I am referring to.

2015 Towing Guide, Page 14
https://www.gmc.com/content/dam/GMC/...wing-guide.pdf
2500HD SERIES CREW CAB STANDARD BOX 4WD 3.73 17,100

2016 Towing Guide, Page 14
https://www.gmc.com/content/dam/GMC/...wing-guide.pdf
2500HD SERIES CREW CAB STANDARD BOX 4WD 3.73 13,900

Lastly, here is just the chart page at GMC.COM and it also shows 17,100
http://www.gmc.com/trailering-towing/towing-charts.html


I know about SAE J2807 ratings, but my understanding is those numbers changed for 2015, so it wouldn’t make sense to me to have a large difference between 2015 and 2016. I need to solve this though so I know what size trailer I can comfortably tow. Anyway, am hoping you or one of your folks might know.

Response:

Here is the answer I got, and you’re not going to like it. There is no change in design of the trucks from 2015 to 2016. But to
Comply with SAE J2807 I am being told is the reason for the change in the rating. This was done so all manufactures have the same standards
To go by.

[D. J. Schuler]

TV tow, payload and axle ratings are figments of engineers imagination. If you can add air bags and pull it, do it. It's cheaper to use what you got till it breaks, kinda like the Chinese Tires. Most manufactures don't know the real ability of their vehicles, so prove them wrong. If you believe the above, I hope I'm not near you when something decides to break.

[doc73]

Originally Posted by D. J. Schuler

TV tow, payload and axle ratings are figments of engineers imagination. If you can add air bags and pull it, do it. It's cheaper to use what you got till it breaks, kinda like the Chinese Tires. Most manufactures don't know the real ability of their vehicles, so prove them wrong. If you believe the above, I hope I'm not near you when something decides to break.

Haha, at first I was like whhhaaatttt.... Then I was like, oooohhhhh... Lol

[rockfordroo]

Stay safe. Use your 2016 owners manual.

[keeprr]

Originally Posted by mac1576

Please look at the original post. I stated that I've pulled trailers before, but not fifth wheels. Thanks everyone for your replies. You've confirmed what I was afraid of. Well back to the drawing board.

I have a 32 ft 5er with a good open floor plan that has been more than comfortable even during a 7 week trip last summer. Pin weight 1425 lbs with empty 5er weight of 7450 lbs. My sticker shows max payload of 2254 lbs. Loaded my 5er barely sets the rear end down on my GMC 2500 Dmax. Interestingly for all the weight Police, I check with GMC about my payload capacity and according the my 2500's VIN # my truck's payload in 2950 lbs. Wonder which number the weight Police will use in the lawsuit.

[doc73]

Weight of truck then compare to the axel totals with some math.

[SailorSam20500]

Originally Posted by BandJCarm

Wow. Such complicated rules, just to collect a bunch of tax.

Not a tax, fine for violating the rules... A tax is more like the ante in poker - cost of doing business.

Originally Posted by doc73

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If you, an out of stater, are stopped for a traffic violation you can be taken into custody and held until you see the judge to pay the fine in collateral of a hearing or have a hearing. Other stuff a PA person would be arrested for, processed and released you would be held in jail to see the judge before being allowed to be released. (think similar to DUI)

Down south if you are speeding and are not from there you get ARRESTED or need to pay the officer the fine right there.

Back in the early 80's one of my finance instructors came in with this story. He was heading south on I-75 in Ohio (known at the time for being a stickler on speed). He in his car and some unknown kid following in another car (allegedly with his parents in the back seat). They are both doing 100+ blowing past semis, etc like they were standing still. Both got pulled over, cop said he was about to call ahead for help because he had a really hard time catching up to them due to traffic!

Anyway, cop wrote the ticket and told my instructor pay now or go to the station. Instructor didn't have the cash but the cop said he accepted MC and Visa! Instructor pulled out his card and the cop pulled out one of the old style imprinters for CCs. Zip/Zap on the hood of the car, a quick signature and my instructor was on his way. Not sure what happened to the the kid...

[doc73]

That just blows my mind.. It amazes me these collect the fees on the side of the road stories.. I am amazed it was ever legal and acceptable! I would never even touch money out on the road. To many chances of issues.

[keeprr]

Back in the day things were different in the south. I remember seeing a person get pulled over for speeding doing 56 mph while passing me while I was doing 55. In the 80's the speed.limit nationally was 55. Doing 100 a ticket was having a cop do you a Huge favor.

[BandJCarm]

I couldn't imagine it either, Doc. Then I googled "cops accepting fines on the spot" and was amazed at what I found.

What a world we are living in.

I sure am wrong a lot lately. Age? Ignorance? I dunno.......but Geez Louise!!!

[doc73]

Originally Posted by keeprr

Back in the day things were different in the south. I remember seeing a person get pulled over for speeding doing 56 mph while passing me while I was doing 55. In the 80's the speed.limit nationally was 55. Doing 100 a ticket was having a cop do you a Huge favor.