Towing a fifth wheel with 3/4 ton?

[B and B]

The new Half Ton is not your pops half ton. I can tow 11,200, GVCW of 16,500. I have 15,000 combined and 9,200 in the trailer. Under limits for sure, Pin might be heavy at times. My plans are when I retire to buy a F350 to tow with. For now the daily driver F150 fits the bill.

[B and B]

Originally Posted by SKnight

Not always. Yes, there's points of no return, but my Ram has the same rear axle as the dually, same spring pack, isn't sitting on the stops or the helper spring and not only sits level, the rear is still slightly higher than the front.

This photo is nearly 600 pounds over payload, generator and all.

Nice looking trailer, I like the cream two tone. Brian

[MagnoliaTom]

Originally Posted by B and B

Nice looking trailer, I like the cream two tone. Brian

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[davel1971]

air bags DO NOT add payload capacity. If you don't want a dually, get a single wheel one ton. I love mine. Sits perfectly level with my 5th wheel on it and I carry plenty of stuff in bed too.

[Backcountry]

It doesn't make me feel all that warm and fuzzy knowing how many of you are out there hauling around several hundred pounds (or more) overweight and telling yourselves it doesn't "feel" bad so it must be OK. The weight rating on your truck and trailer isn't an arbitrary number. Just get the truck for the job. If it's paid for, use the equity to finance or pay for something that's capable of pulling your trailer.

[B and B]

Originally Posted by davel1971

air bags DO NOT add payload capacity. If you don't want a dually, get a single wheel one ton. I love mine. Sits perfectly level with my 5th wheel on it and I carry plenty of stuff in bed too.

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That is what I will buy, dually is bad for parking. I would get a 6 1/2 ft short box cab and half F350.

[ironj]

Originally Posted by Backcountry

It doesn't make me feel all that warm and fuzzy knowing how many of you are out there hauling around several hundred pounds (or more) overweight and telling yourselves it doesn't "feel" bad so it must be OK. The weight rating on your truck and trailer isn't an arbitrary number. Just get the truck for the job. If it's paid for, use the equity to finance or pay for something that's capable of pulling your trailer.

No...actually it is COMPLETELY arbitrary. ...until all the manufacturers use the new j2807 sae measures, and nothing more...so im supposed to feel safer bc someone with a 3/4 ton has a 3488lb ccc and an 18k th on a reg cab pickup? ?..because its ok on the sticker?...

[Cajun Po-Boy]

Originally Posted by Backcountry

It doesn't make me feel all that warm and fuzzy knowing how many of you are out there hauling around several hundred pounds (or more) overweight and telling yourselves it doesn't "feel" bad so it must be OK. The weight rating on your truck and trailer isn't an arbitrary number. Just get the truck for the job. If it's paid for, use the equity to finance or pay for something that's capable of pulling your trailer.

...I'd be more concerned with the suv's with the roof cargo trunks and the rear end squatting as they blitz by doing 80mph in a 65mph on the interstate in anywhere USA than the responsible and safe camper haulers creeping at 60-62 in the slow lane while a few lbs overweight in a truck that is made to handle weight

[jtstromsburg]

Heck I pull a 34tbok with an f350 with a gas burner! Pulls great, I can accelerate up any incline I've come up against, and I get to meet lots of nice people at all the gas stations I stop at.

[RickV]

I have a buddy that has a newer F250 gasser I think its a 2011. We compared the spring package they were identical. Only difference was the little sticker mine was 8800 his was 10200. Like I posted earlier my decision to get the Dually was purely was from fear of getting my butt sued if something happened. If it wasn't for that little sticker I would still have my F250. That being said I really like the Dually too.

[wbdavey]

Originally Posted by MagnoliaTom

Actually got that info from the ford truck forum. The point is there is no difference between the two. Ford just gives a higher weight rating to the f350. Springs are identical. I suppose they get away with it because of the spacer and badging


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I ordered a new 2005 F350 SRW that had the heaviest of FOUR available GVW ratings (without DRW) and a cargo capacity of 4,100 pounds. I know the heaviest F250 availble that year had a payload of about 2,850 pounds, that's why I bought the F350. So your Ford forum information is not correct. You already know you're overloaded so I'm only trying to correct the information you used to decide it's OK.

[MagnoliaTom]

Originally Posted by wbdavey

I ordered a new 2005 F350 SRW that had the heaviest of FOUR available GVW ratings (without DRW) and a cargo capacity of 4,100 pounds. I know the heaviest F250 availble that year had a payload of about 2,850 pounds, that's why I bought the F350. So your Ford forum information is not correct. You already know you're overloaded so I'm only trying to correct the information you used to decide it's OK.

Here's the link. Quite informative

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/11...r-and-faq.html


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[MagnoliaTom]

Originally Posted by davel1971

air bags DO NOT add payload capacity. If you don't want a dually, get a single wheel one ton. I love mine. Sits perfectly level with my 5th wheel on it and I carry plenty of stuff in bed too.

Did you read the part about the differences between a 3/4 ton and 1 ton?


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[MagnoliaTom]

Originally Posted by wbdavey

I ordered a new 2005 F350 SRW that had the heaviest of FOUR available GVW ratings (without DRW) and a cargo capacity of 4,100 pounds. I know the heaviest F250 availble that year had a payload of about 2,850 pounds, that's why I bought the F350. So your Ford forum information is not correct. You already know you're overloaded so I'm only trying to correct the information you used to decide it's OK.

Note: I have not yet purchased the fifth wheel, hence I cannot yet know that I'm overloaded.



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[ironj]

Originally Posted by MagnoliaTom

Here's the link. Quite informative

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/11...r-and-faq.html


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Ive used those figures as explanation many times. .... (although the original post is older, there is a link to newer trucks further down)......oddly enough I had a supposed "ford tech" argue that the axle info was misprinted and they were in fact the same on the 250/350....??..the axle rating is over 1000lbs more??..how could they be the same??..lol...whatever....its a fun debate regardless. ..

[MagnoliaTom]

Originally Posted by ironj

Ive used those figures as explanation many times. .... (although the original post is older, there is a link to newer trucks further down)......oddly enough I had a supposed "ford tech" argue that the axle info was misprinted and they were in fact the same on the 250/350....??..the axle rating is over 1000lbs more??..how could they be the same??..lol...whatever....its a fun debate regardless. ..

Yeah, some people think you're crazy to suggest the two trucks are equally equipped. I try not to talk to those people 😄


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[jimdd810]

As a service tech for a long time and a salesman at a ford dealer two things come to mind. First it's not how much you can pull its how much you can stop. That's the major reason to make sure your tv brake systems are what's needed with room to spare and they are well maintained. 2 weight does come into play. 200 to 300 lbs isn't a lot but 500 and up makes a major difference. I recommend trying to pull the trailer first before buying it. Specially if your going to be towing it all over.


Life is a highway!!!!!

[MagnoliaTom]

Originally Posted by jimdd810

As a service tech for a long time and a salesman at a ford dealer two things come to mind. First it's not how much you can pull its how much you can stop. That's the major reason to make sure your tv brake systems are what's needed with room to spare and they are well maintained. 2 weight does come into play. 200 to 300 lbs isn't a lot but 500 and up makes a major difference. I recommend trying to pull the trailer first before buying it. Specially if your going to be towing it all over.


Life is a highway!!!!!

That's an excellent suggestion.


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[MagnoliaTom]

Originally Posted by jimdd810

As a service tech for a long time and a salesman at a ford dealer two things come to mind. First it's not how much you can pull its how much you can stop. That's the major reason to make sure your tv brake systems are what's needed with room to spare and they are well maintained. 2 weight does come into play. 200 to 300 lbs isn't a lot but 500 and up makes a major difference. I recommend trying to pull the trailer first before buying it. Specially if your going to be towing it all over.


Life is a highway!!!!!

Btw, all brake pads recently replaced with Wagner heavy duty pads. Brake fluid flushed. System working as well as can be expected.


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[GreenImp]

If I were going to intentionally tow over my payload capacity and/or my RAWR, I would be more concerned about upgrading my rear tires than adding airbags. Airbags only help the ride quality and the look (sagging). Every RAWR I have ever checked out was exactly equal to the weight rating of the original rear tires combined. This is obvious (to me) proof that the rear tires are the weak link. Upgrading the tires (and wheels if necessary) would actually add an additional level of safety that airbags do not. In the event of an accident and lawsuit, a good lawyer could easily convince a jury this method was acceptable (assuming you were within all other ratings). I can assure you that as a juror, I would take this "realistic" approach vs a "by the book" approach.

And now that I think about it...I wouldn't be surprised to find that the tires are another difference between the F250 and F350 models. I wonder what the weight ratings of the tires on the new trucks are.