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Old 09-29-2020, 07:23 AM   #1
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Towing capabilities

hope I am understanding this right. Looking at buying a new Super lite 26FKBS.
all data is from stickers on door of truck.

Truck GVWR is 6900
Max payload is 1772
so curb weight is 5128
hitch weight on RV says 796
hitch weight 921 including Propane and battery (no water in tanks)
so that equals 6,049 lbs

6900 GVWR minus
6,049 leaves me

851 Lbs for 2 passengers and 2 dogs and what we put in the truck

total weight of RV loaded with our things is 7300 lbs

I figured max tow capacity is 10,600 with Ram 1500 V8 Hemi with 3:92 rear end Ram towing data says 11,500.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:35 AM   #2
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Is the 921 hitch weight calculated or weighed?
Is the 7300 trailer weight what is on the axles, or total (axles + tongue)?
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:36 AM   #3
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the numbers look pretty good. just remember that the Towing Capacity is marketing fluff. that number is towing a 4 wheel hay wagon on flat ground with 0 lbs on the tongue. you have a perfect axle ratio in that truck! hitch weight seems to be good too! just make sure that you measure the tongue weight if you can. or take the GVWR of the trailer and 12-15% of that as your tongue weight if you cant weigh it.
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Old 09-29-2020, 07:41 AM   #4
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Your hitch weight may be higher and your weight is also subtracted from the 851 lbs. The driver is not excluded from the payload calc.
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Old 09-29-2020, 08:30 AM   #5
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What’s your GAWR ?
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Old 09-29-2020, 09:06 AM   #6
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Update

Dry hitch weight from factory is 6608I added for propane and Battery 921

851 left is for me driving and her riding and our basic clothes etc...

Front axle is 3700
Rear axle is 4100

Weight distribution and sway bar are not included
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Probably a good idea to load your truck “ready to camp”, then hit a weight scale. I think you’ll be awfully close to 4,100 lbs with tongue weight, plus curb weight of 5,128 lbs seems low.
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Don’t think I can load my truck and hit the weight scale until I buy it

Isn’t a rough curb weight the GVWR minus the max I can load ?


Also weight distribution will shift some of that weight forward I believe
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Don’t think I can load my truck and hit the weight scale until I buy it

Isn’t a rough curb weight the GVWR minus the max I can load ?


Also weight distribution will shift some of that weight forward I believe
I’m saying hit the scale without the trailer, just weigh the truck. Load it with the cargo you would carry while camping (people, dogs, gas, whatever you’ll put in the bed of the truck).

That way you have an actual base weight to work from. (i.e. if your rear axle is 3,200 lbs w/o trailer, then your real close to GAWR with 900 lbs TW)

Yes, GVWR - curb weight. But payload stickers are not 100% accurate. Could easily be off by a few hundred pounds.

The WDH will shift some weight to the front axle and some back the trailer. A big goal of WDH is shift the weight from the front axle that is lost with the trailer attached, back to the front axle. That 921 lbs TW estimate will still all be on the rear axle
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Fleaglefixer, I want to stay within my vehicle's capacity specs but am not ultraconservative. If I'm under whatever the most restrictive limit is, I'm satisfied that I'm safe, but that doesn't necessarily make it fun to drive. I state that so you can interpret my comments.

I think you'll be overloaded and, even if not, won't like how it feels. For the sake of comparison, you can find objective data on my TV/trailer combination here:

https://www.forestriverforums.com/fo....php?p=2369929

The thread topic is regarding Hensley (including ProPride) hitches, but my weights were with a BlueOx SwayPro. My TV GVWR is 6800# and the payload is 1736#, minus a Bakflip MX4 hard tonneau cover I added.

The manufacturer tongue weight on my Mini-Lite is 625#, less than what you're looking at.

Details are in the post linked above but I think I'm at my limit with that combination. I don't think I'll have any problem pulling my trailer over the Rockies, or anywhere else, but I wouldn't want to pull anything heavier or, especially, longer.
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Old 09-29-2020, 06:34 PM   #11
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If you load 1000 lbs into the trailer that will increase your TW by about 120 lbs. That's why I said your TW could be higher. The function of the WDH is to move the weight removed from the front axle back to the front axle. 100% restoration is usually not achieved and it is very common to have 100-200 lbs of front axle weight riding on the rear axle with the WDH hooked up. A portion of the TW will move to the trailer axles, probably around 150-200 lbs. that basically leaves the entire TW + hitch weight on the rear axle. 4100 lbs RAWR is pretty good though and so you may be OK.
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thanks for the inputs. I am going to run with it so to speak. With the set up I have it might not be perfect. But towing on straight and level roads here in Florida it should work fine. Pulling the new 29 footer is going to be a little different than the 26 footer but not enough to overly concern me. If I go long distance in the years to come. I will get the ram 2500 with a diesel
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thanks for the inputs. I am going to run with it so to speak. With the set up I have it might not be perfect. But towing on straight and level roads here in Florida it should work fine. Pulling the new 29 footer is going to be a little different than the 26 footer but not enough to overly concern me. If I go long distance in the years to come. I will get the ram 2500 with a diesel
Might sound silly, but when I went from a 26' to a 36' TT, I was nervous at first, but first time I put it in my driveway...and RIGHT ON THE MARK first time in, I realized it was even easier to backup than my 26' was.
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Don't forget to add the weight of the hitch itself to the payload. This can be as high as 100 lbs.
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You look like you can be within your numbers on paper. I have a 2017 26RLWS. It is a reverse floor plan of what you are considering but the wardrobe slides out not the bed. The reality is things are going to be closer than you think.

My weights were on paper similar to what you are looking at. I have never loaded my trailer over 7100lbs when weighing it at the scale (7400lb gross) but my tongue weight was god awful at 1100lbs unless I moved things around because the storage is all in the front on my trailer. My payload was 1680 and with that tongue weight I was over my rear axle rating until moved a lot around.

The ride I had initially was very bad with my half ton. White knuckle with wind even when well balanced with a blueox frequently over 2 yrs until I got a propride then things were acceptable. The blueox was a nice hitch but my trailer is problematic I think.

I got tired of moving everything back into storage when we arrived at camp just to make weights and got a bigger truck for the next trailer to make this one easier as well.

Every trailer is different so you could be fine but know that it may not be exactly as you suspect going in. Hope it all works out for you as you expect.
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I pulled into the yard today with a 2020 Ram 2500 Diesel. We pulled the Rockwood 2504S, 26 foot fine, going down the road with the 1500. But when we traded the Rockwood for a Flagstaff Super Lite, 30 ft and weighing 8000 Lbs + loaded. The good ol 1500 had met its match. Hitch weight and over all capacity did it in. That with the longer trailer, it kept being pulled in as we were passed on the road. Cummins diesel 2500 has the power and stability for towing it safer and giving us more of a relaxing ride. will miss it !!!
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Solved this today. Pulled into the yard with a 2020 Ram Cummins Diesel. Not hooked up yet but next weekend for sure. Have to get a few more miles for break in before we can hook up and tow. Thanks for all of the help. Now I can go any where and feel comfortable.
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Like you I purchased a larger TT, looked good on paper but reality was different. The TT was 3 foot longer, 1,000 lbs heavier, feel within limits, barily, on paper, of my Ram 1500 but it was a handful to tow in the wind. Purchased a Ram 2500 CTD and after a season of towing it's a comfortable ride again even in the mountains of Colorado and across the wind sweep plains of Kansas.
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Solved this today. Pulled into the yard with a 2020 Ram Cummins Diesel. Not hooked up yet but next weekend for sure. Have to get a few more miles for break in before we can hook up and tow. Thanks for all of the help. Now I can go any where and feel comfortable.
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Previously, before the 2019 Ram model years, when the manufacturer calculated payload capacity and posted the"maximum weight of passengers and cargo" figure on the Tire and loading sticker, a full STOCK fuel tank and a 150# passenger was used. On the 2019 and 2020 towing specifications chart from FCA for the Ram, they now use 300# for the passengers. Not sure if Ford and/GM also does.
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Previously, before the 2019 Ram model years, when the manufacturer calculated payload capacity and posted the"maximum weight of passengers and cargo" figure on the Tire and loading sticker, a full STOCK fuel tank and a 150# passenger was used. On the 2019 and 2020 towing specifications chart from FCA for the Ram, they now use 300# for the passengers. Not sure if Ford and/GM also does.
That is totally inaccurate. The 150/300 lb figures have to do with SAE J2807 and max tow rating. Those weights have nothing to do with payload capacity. Payload capacity is basically GVWR minus curb weight.
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