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Old 05-23-2020, 10:13 AM   #1
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Towing question

We are brand new to the RV world and Im confused about all the weights. The dealership said wed be fine, but Ive realized I have a lot to learn about weights and hitches and towing. Are we going to be ok towing a 2018 27BHWS with a 2019 Silverado 1500 trail boss? What hitch should we go with? The dealership gave us a choice of E2 or blue ox. Any advice is appreciated. We are supposed to pick it up the TT Thursday.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:17 AM   #2
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Post up a photo of the yellow sticker on the drivers door of your truck.
I don't think you are going to like the answers you get.
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Old 05-23-2020, 11:33 AM   #3
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Here are the specs for the trailer for when we get the yellow sticker data:

Length 32.83 ft. (394 in.)
Width 8 ft. (96 in.)
Height 11.17 ft. (134 in.)
Interior Height 6.67 ft. (80 in.)
Dry Weight 6,646 lbs.
Payload Capacity 2,158 lbs.
Hitch Weight 804 lbs.

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Is it just me, or has there been a surge lately (in terms of posts on this Forum, at least) in dealers sending people out the door in, shall we say, "less than safe" situations?
I may be jumping the gun here, but jeez . . what MtBiker said . . .
And SoShiny22, this in no way reflects on you, but rather on dealers who will say literally (it seems) that "anything can tow anything", just to put a sale on the board! Before I got educated through the knowledge on this Forum, the only "towing question" I would think of was whether I had the right sized ball on my hitch! (For the towing police out there, don't worry, I wasn't towing TTs!!)
Sorry, rant over . . .
SoShiney22, just get the real data/info you need, including advice from the experts on this Forum, and make a completely informed decision as to whether your truck is capable - do NOT reply on some salesman telling you, "No problem, you're good!"
Okay, rant is really over now . . .
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Post up a photo of the yellow sticker on the drivers door of your truck.
I don't think you are going to like the answers you get.


I put the picture down below. Thank you.
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I think this combo could work. Max hitch weight of 950lbs with a dry hitch weight of 804 lbs jumps out at me. The trailer starts pretty light, so you should be able to keep the hitch weight under 950 lbs. Your payload is pretty good, but you need to subtract yourself and anything else you put in the truck.

I think with a good weight distribution hitch and careful loading of truck and trailer, this combo will work just fine.

Standby for all the "you can tow it but you won't like it" posts.
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Unfortunately the Trail boss package (lift and bigger tires) both work against a tow vehicle.

On the side of your new trailer it will have a sticker (similar to your truck) that will have some weight info that is for the trailer as it left the factory. Check the tongue weight. The factory number of 800lbs that someone posted up for you is that trailer with no options and without a battery -a brochure number and nothing more. Check the sticker on your trailer.

With the trailer empty you will likely be right at the max tongue weight on your truck. Loaded trailer ready to camp will be more challenging to stay within the ratings. How you load the trailer can have a huge affect on the hitch weight...my trailer goes from 950 on the ball to 1500 depending on how I load it. At no time should you try to get so creative with how you load the trailer that it unloads the hitch weight below 10% (I prefer 15%+)

I would not exceed the max tongue weight or the payload for your truck...
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The Blue Ox Sway Pro is a better sway control hitch than the E2. I would pick that one even though it will cost you more. You will be close to the limits of your truck, but you might as well give it a shot. Get a few tows under your belt before you make any decisions whether to get a different truck. It takes a few tows to get used to it.
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I like to use the GTWR to work with, assuming you fill it up.
GTWR 8804#
Truck GVWR 7000#
GCWR 15,000#
Truck CC 1680#
GVWR - CC = curb weight
Curb weight 5320#
GCWR - curb weight plus driver = Tow Rating
15,000 - 5320 - 150 = 9530#
So 9530 would be the advertised tow rating with NOTHING ELSE in the truck!
Curb weight + TT GTWR, 5320 + 8804 = 14,124#
GCWR 15,000 - 14,124 leaves you 876# for extras in the truck if your TT is maxed out.
All this math exercise means is that however you slice it, you will be operating near your truck's maximum and will have to carefully load the truck and trailer. AND WATCH your truck RAWR, rear axle weight.
TT tongue weights should be 13-15% TT weight to prevent sway. 13% of 8804 = 1144.52
While tongue weight is part of overall trailer weight GTWR, that tongue weight is directly carried on your truck and comes out of the truck CC which is 1680. 1680 - 1144 = 536# left for you, the family, dog, firewood and anything else. Again, very limited.

My bottom line recommendation is to get a TT at nearer 6000 GTWR, definitely under 7000 GTWR.
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I have a 2019 Silverado 1500 with the Max Trailering package, 6.2L engine and 3.42 rear axle and I wouldn't tow a trailer that size with my truck. I would be towing 8000 lbs with that trailer, which means a tongue weight of over 1000 lbs. That would be pushing the limit of my truck. I wouldn't even dream of towing that trailer with my 2016 Silverado 1500, which has a 7200 GVWR and a little less payload capacity than your truck. If I wanted a trailer that size I'd be looking at a 3/4 ton.
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I like to use the GTWR to work with, assuming you fill it up.
GTWR 8804#
Truck GVWR 7000#
GCWR 15,000#
Truck CC 1680#
GVWR - CC = curb weight
Curb weight 5320#
GCWR - curb weight plus driver = Tow Rating
15,000 - 5320 - 150 = 9530#
So 9530 would be the advertised tow rating with NOTHING ELSE in the truck!
Curb weight + TT GTWR, 5320 + 8804 = 14,124#
GCWR 15,000 - 14,124 leaves you 876# for extras in the truck if your TT is maxed out.
All this math exercise means is that however you slice it, you will be operating near your truck's maximum and will have to carefully load the truck and trailer. AND WATCH your truck RAWR, rear axle weight.
TT tongue weights should be 13-15% TT weight to prevent sway. 13% of 8804 = 1144.52
While tongue weight is part of overall trailer weight GTWR, that tongue weight is directly carried on your truck and comes out of the truck CC which is 1680. 1680 - 1144 = 536# left for you, the family, dog, firewood and anything else. Again, very limited.

My bottom line recommendation is to get a TT at nearer 6000 GTWR, definitely under 7000 GTWR.
X2. BUT you've probably confused the OP because you've used "GTWR" instead of "GVWR" in several places. GVWR is the proper term.
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As others have mentioned, the 800 lb tongue weight is the unloaded trailer tongue weight. You will have an additional 1000 lbs plus of stuff in your trailer ( water, food, gear, clothing, trailer battery, propane tanks filled, misc camp gear it all adds up). That is another 150 pounds of tongue weight (15% of what you additionally put in the trailer). Add to that close to 100 pounds of Weight Distribution Hitch - Blue ox in your case. You are looking at 1050 pounds tongue weight. You can minimize this a bit be distributing weight in the trailer but you don't want to be below 13% of the total trailer weight on the tongue.

Remember to add all the weight of people and gear in the truck to your tongue weight to get your payload weight. It does not seem you will have any safety margin pulling that trailer.
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X2. BUT you've probably confused the OP because you've used "GTWR" instead of "GVWR" in several places. GVWR is the proper term.
I believe he was distinguishing between the GVWR of the tow vehicle versus the "GVWR" of the trailer, using the "GTWR" to mean "Gross Trailer Weight Rating". Together, those two would equal the "CGWR/GCWR" (may be po-TAY-to/po-TAH-to, but is it Combined Gross Weight Rating or Gross Combined Weight Rating?? )
At least that's the way I read it and the distinction makes sense . . .
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I believe he was distinguishing between the GVWR of the tow vehicle versus the "GVWR" of the trailer, using the "GTWR" to mean "Gross Trailer Weight Rating". Together, those two would equal the "CGWR/GCWR" (may be po-TAY-to/po-TAH-to, but is it Combined Gross Weight Rating or Gross Combined Weight Rating?? )
At least that's the way I read it and the distinction makes sense . . .
That may be, but you won't find GTWR on the side of your trailer. You will find GVWR. So it's best to stick with terms you'll see. Personally, I can't recall ever seeing GTWR used anywhere.
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We are brand new to the RV world and Im confused about all the weights. The dealership said wed be fine, but Ive realized I have a lot to learn about weights and hitches and towing. Are we going to be ok towing a 2018 27BHWS with a 2019 Silverado 1500 trail boss? What hitch should we go with? The dealership gave us a choice of E2 or blue ox. Any advice is appreciated. We are supposed to pick it up the TT Thursday.

I think you are going to have your hands full with that trailer and your truck. If it were me, I'd be making one of two decisions.

1) I'm going to get a more capable truck with more payload and more room as a safety margin.

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2) I'm going to go in and tell the dealership that I don't want the trailer now that I understand how close I am to the max weights on my truck and want to look for something better suited to my current truck.

I've posted this before but I had a truck salesman tell me when I went looking for my previous 3/4 ton truck that "This truck will tow everything we have on this lot" (They are a large GMC and RV dealership here in Cincinnati). I told him not to say stuff like that, it makes you look stupid. He looked shocked and I told him I'd explain it to him and then we went out and looked at the yellow sticker on the door and it had like 1900 lbs of payload. Then we started doing the math. 5 people at 150 lb average each (750Lbs), 2 dogs (50 lbs), 100 lb W/D hitch, we are up to 900 lbs off my 1900 lb payload before I hook the trailer to it! I need a trailer at 7000 lbs loaded (so about 6000 lbs unloaded) to give myself room for 14% tongue weight if I need that much to prevent sway. Luckily, the trailer I had was under that!

Some people on the forum will tell you people like me are the weight police and they tow a trailer that's over their rear axle numbers or payload without issue and have for years. And if you're staying local and not traveling in a hilly area and if and but and everything works right for you, you may to.

Not my decision, it's yours. I like having margin on my side. I take educated risks occasionally but try not to make it an habit because eventually, the odds always win.
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So it's best to stick with terms you'll see.
Agreed . . .
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Thank you all for your replies! I appreciate your help!!
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I think you"ll be fine. I have a f150 with max tow pack. , a similar trailer and an equalizer 1400 distr. hitch. My combo works really good. If you star taking some long hills you'll know it, just go a bit slower.
I kept an eye open for an propride 4p hitch for a while but I don't need it. I'd been towing this trailer for 3 yrs and a few thousand miles. Just take your time, don't rush and enjoy your vacation from the moment you lock the front door.
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