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04-25-2022, 06:31 PM
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So, my thoughts about your initial question “why don’t you see many SUV’s towing a TT?”
I think part of it is TT tend to be heavy tongue. By this, I mean, often the tongue will weight upwards of 15% total trailer weight, when the vehicle hitch is only rated to 10% of max tow rating. This typically means there’s a lot of nitpicking when it comes to loading the trailer in order to not exceed the required tongue capacity (and who wants to spend their entire vacation trying to load the trailer safely). Then there’s also the fact that the lower your tongue weight, the less resilience against wind whipping the trailer around, with this being especially true for the high-walls of RV’s, so RV’s with 15% tongue weight tend to handle better.
So, with your specs of 9000lb tow capacity, your hitch is probably rated for a tongue weight no greater than 900lbs. This in turn means, the trailer will most likely be limited to a GVW of about 6000lbs (assuming 15% tongue weight).
Yes, I acknowledge, if you are meticulous in making sure everything stays within ratings, it’s possible to tow a 9000lb trailer with your vehicle, but in the end, it’s just easier to go with a bigger TV, and not worry too much about tongue weight.
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04-25-2022, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by upflying
Even if you could pull it, where are you going with it? Not many campgrounds have room for a rig 55' long.
Bow waves and crosswinds will have you sawing the steering wheel.
Your 5.4 3 valve will be screaming to go uphill. MPG will be single digits.
Since you are asking us, you are having doubts. Look for something smaller.
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Yes indeedy. With that engine and gear ratio, you're going to have to keep your foot in it to pull a 34-37' rig down the road.
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04-25-2022, 09:19 PM
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We towed a 25' trailer with a 2014 Tahoe. It was similarly equipped compared to your Expedition. It was an adventure, that's for sure. It had a 5.3L V-8 and a 6-speed with the Max-Tow package. It was slow on hills but towed fine with the tires inflated to the max cold temperature. In windy conditions, it was a white-knuckle ride. We got 7-10 mpg towing. I traded for a 1500 Silverado Crew Cab pickup truck with a 6.2L and an 8-speed. It got 10-14 mpg towing. The tow ratings were fine but we had to watch our payload numbers closely. Also, your receiver hitch is only rated to 1000 lbs Tongue Weight, and 10,000 lbs Tow Capacity. For a trailer of the size you are thinking of, you will need a 3/4 ton pickup. A 9000 lb GVWR trailer will have a roughly 1170 lb tongue weight and that is over your hitch rating by quite a bit.
The maximum length you can safely tow is about 27 feet. There are trailer models that are in the 27 ft length range with bunks that you can possibly tow. Or, as suggested earlier, look at a hybrid trailer.
I suggest you load your tow vehicle with the stuff you will carry, wife and kids, go find a CAT Scale at a truck stop, weigh your Expedition to see what you actually have to work with, then treat everyone to an ice cream cone.
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04-25-2022, 11:35 PM
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Camping the Natural State
Join Date: Jan 2021
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Originally Posted by 7dfashe9
What do you define as small? I’m not looking at the heaviest trailers, but the specs say it can tow 9000. Factoring in tongue weight, occupants, etc. the math seems to work, but can I really go that high? Looking at bunkhouses in the 34-37’ range.
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Absolutely forget about it. Better look at 7500 GVWR campers under 30'.
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04-26-2022, 06:24 AM
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Oh they are out there, but I think for many including me, newer trucks can do things SUV's can't and 1500 trucks have gotten to the point where they almost are NOT trucks in terms of how they drive and creature comforts. I also can load the back of the truck up with nasty stuff to take to the transfer stations and then hose it out... The issue with 1500's is often but not always payload so that is the main thing to watch out for..
Now, move up to a 2500 truck and you will KNOW you are in a truck, but at least they are comfortable inside even if they still drive like log wagons. But 1500's now days are more like luxury limosines imho.
Now, the SUV will haul more kids being about the only advantage there, but then you start eating into your payload so there is that...
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04-26-2022, 08:28 PM
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Works for me.
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04-26-2022, 10:29 PM
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My 2017 Expediton XLT tows awesome. I think my trailer has a max weight of about 7,700lbs and my Expy’s payload is about 1,700lbs. It has the heavy duty tow package, I added the Sumo springs in both the front and rear coils, larger rear sway bar, load range E 80psi tires, tow mirrors and better brakes because I’m picky and want the most out of my Expy. I do use the Equalizer 10,000lb four point WDH. I’ve adjusted it a few times while loaded to maximize its potential. Works very well overall.
Tires made the biggest difference.
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04-27-2022, 12:58 AM
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Both those Expys have rear end sag, going by the pics.
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04-27-2022, 01:24 AM
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Camping the Natural State
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfour5
Oh they are out there, but I think for many including me, newer trucks can do things SUV's can't and 1500 trucks have gotten to the point where they almost are NOT trucks in terms of how they drive and creature comforts. I also can load the back of the truck up with nasty stuff to take to the transfer stations and then hose it out... The issue with 1500's is often but not always payload so that is the main thing to watch out for..
Now, move up to a 2500 truck and you will KNOW you are in a truck, but at least they are comfortable inside even if they still drive like log wagons. But 1500's now days are more like luxury limosines imho.
Now, the SUV will haul more kids being about the only advantage there, but then you start eating into your payload so there is that...
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Depends which halfton pickup you get and which 3/4 ton truck you get. Both can be too heavily loaded to have good payload. There are halftons out there with more CCC than some 3/4 tons. Not many diesel 3/4's have good CCC because of the heavy engine. Those "luxury limo" halftons are too heavily optioned for a good CCC.
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04-27-2022, 10:08 AM
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Keep it in 80% range?
There seems to be a lot of good information on this thread.
We just took delivery of our GeoPro (19FDS) two weeks ago.
We bought the trailer before we decided on a tow vehicle.
I ended up going with a Nissan Pathfinder.
Granted, our trailer is a lot smaller than the OPs and subsequent poster's.
What I looked at (in addition to many of the great comments here) was staying within 80% of the vehicles tow capacity. With that requirement, I think most of the other considerations (tongue weight, etc) worked themselves out.
The Pathfinder has 6000 lb tow capacity with the factory tow package. My trailer's dry weight is 3300 lbs. Allowing for an average of loaded items I am well within my margin.
Just my $0.02 in my first forum post. Thanks.
Note: photo of our TV and TT attached.
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04-27-2022, 12:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
Both those Expys have rear end sag, going by the pics.
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I’ve seen plenty of 3/4 ton trucks with similar sag. It’s to be expected at times and sometimes unavoidable.
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Past Tow vehicle but still own: 2017 Ford Expedition XLT EL factory tow package. Added towing mirrors, 10 ply tires on separate rims, sumo springs, larger rear sway bar.
Current tow vehicle: 2020 Ford F350 Lariat supercab
4x4. 7.3 gas. 4,400+lb payload capacity.
2021 Cherokee Greywolf 23MK
Equalizer 1,000lb WDH
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04-27-2022, 12:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Utskier1961
There seems to be a lot of good information on this thread.
We just took delivery of our GeoPro (19FDS) two weeks ago.
We bought the trailer before we decided on a tow vehicle.
I ended up going with a Nissan Pathfinder.
Granted, our trailer is a lot smaller than the OPs and subsequent poster's.
What I looked at (in addition to many of the great comments here) was staying within 80% of the vehicles tow capacity. With that requirement, I think most of the other considerations (tongue weight, etc) worked themselves out.
The Pathfinder has 6000 lb tow capacity with the factory tow package. My trailer's dry weight is 3300 lbs. Allowing for an average of loaded items I am well within my margin.
Just my $0.02 in my first forum post. Thanks.
Note: photo of our TV and TT attached.
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Past Tow vehicle but still own: 2017 Ford Expedition XLT EL factory tow package. Added towing mirrors, 10 ply tires on separate rims, sumo springs, larger rear sway bar.
Current tow vehicle: 2020 Ford F350 Lariat supercab
4x4. 7.3 gas. 4,400+lb payload capacity.
2021 Cherokee Greywolf 23MK
Equalizer 1,000lb WDH
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04-27-2022, 01:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guspech750
I’ve seen plenty of 3/4 ton trucks with similar sag. It’s to be expected at times and sometimes unavoidable.
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I personally would not accept that, for my towing combo. The lightened front end reduces steering control.
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4pt Equal-i-zer WDH and 1828lbs of payload capacity
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