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Old 02-27-2019, 09:46 AM   #1
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Truck Bed Loading Question

Hello, this question does not relate to hooking up a TT to a TV, but has more to do with loading a truck bed.

I could have sworn that I've heard in the past that if you're loading a heavy pallet of block or something else in your truck bed with a fork lift then you should make sure you're emergency break is off? If not you could run the risk of damaging your transmission. A friend said he had never heard of that. Can anyone elaborate on this topic as I can't find any online resources to say one way or another? Thanks!
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Old 02-27-2019, 09:56 AM   #2
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Will the parking brake has nothing to do with the transmission. This is an auxiliary set of brake pads/shoes that secure the rear wheels when the truck parking brake is set. The standard braking system is not being used when the brake pedal is not applied, there is no pressure on the main brake system.

You may be thinking of the transmission should be in neutral when the bed is loaded from a fork lift. Maybe you have heard that in the past. This is just a guess, google that and see if you can find anything on transmission in neutral when loading.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:01 AM   #3
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Whenever I am loading the dump trailer or the truck with a fork lift I set the parking brake to limit the truck from rocking back and forth. I was always told that is easier on the parking pawl. The truck will still move but the rocking in the drive train is lessened.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:13 AM   #4
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The auto transmission has made the parking break useless. Who pulls there parking brake? When I drove manual stick shifts I always used it, now never. The worst thing you can do is pull a parking brake that is all rusted over.


id be more worried about the fork lift drivers ability to not hit my truck and get the load far enough forward to not kill the truck.
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Correct except one point. Many newer vehicles with disk brakes on the rear don't typically use the "drum in hat" set up that they used to where there's basically a drum brake on the inside of the hub/rotor. Most now will simply have a cable actuated lever to engage the caliper.
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:44 AM   #6
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The auto transmission has made the parking break useless. Who pulls there parking brake? When I drove manual stick shifts I always used it, now never. The worst thing you can do is pull a parking brake that is all rusted over..
I am fascinated by this. I was told by Ford that you are supposed to use your parking brake everytime you park. Even with an automatic transmission. Even on flat ground. There is 2 reasons, and you mentioned the second. The sequence as it was told to me, was put the car in neutral, put on the parking brake, then put it in park. It ensures there is no pressure on anything in the drive line. And as you mentioned, the secondary reason to use it, is to prevent rust/seizure. The emergency brake is useless to you in an emergency if you have never used it, and thus, it has rusted and seized in place. But, I'm not in the auto industry, I just know what the dealer told us.
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Old 02-27-2019, 11:44 AM   #7
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I've used the parking brake for as long as I can remember. 40+ years would be my guess. I wore a seat belt when wearing seat belts wasn't cool.
I always cringe when I see someone stop their vehicle, shift into park and the vehicle rocks back and forth.
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The auto transmission has made the parking break useless. Who pulls there parking brake? When I drove manual stick shifts I always used it, now never. The worst thing you can do is pull a parking brake that is all rusted over.


id be more worried about the fork lift drivers ability to not hit my truck and get the load far enough forward to not kill the truck.
A note of caution:
Failure to use the parking brake can and has resulted in injury and death. See Anton Yelchin cause of death...
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Correct except one point. Many newer vehicles with disk brakes on the rear don't typically use the "drum in hat" set up that they used to where there's basically a drum brake on the inside of the hub/rotor. Most now will simply have a cable actuated lever to engage the caliper.
And current F-150s like yours still use the drum brake shoes as well if they don't have an electric parking brake.

The electric versions don't use a cable at all.
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You want to have the brakes engaged and transmission in park/neutral. The stress that is being put on the parking pawls that lock the transmission can be too much if the weight is aggressively put into the truck and there is nothing to absorb the driveline shock (ie, the brakes). They can get jammed in place or worse. The less amount of driveline shock present, the better.

The parking brake can be your friend and save your life. Even when you hitch your trailer up, you should engage your parking brake and then get out to do your walk around of your trailer (You all do this....right?) before you begin your trip. If there is anything I learned in my years of public safety, it's that complacency kills.
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:11 PM   #11
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The auto transmission has made the parking break useless. Who pulls there parking brake? When I drove manual stick shifts I always used it, now never. The worst thing you can do is pull a parking brake that is all rusted over.
The automatic transmission has done nothing of the sort. Ever noticed that loud *BANG* and how hard it is to take the transmission out of park when parked on an incline sometimes? That's you forcing the parking pawl out of place as it holds the weight of the vehicle and prevents it from rolling. Enough wear or enough weight will cause it to break and away the truck goes. The parking brake is not only to take the load off the pawl but also for safety.

Our parking brakes are not "rusted over" because they are used every. single. time.

Pretty sure your vehicle owner's manual will tell you to use the parking brake all the time as well and will even tell you to set the parking brake before shifting into park.
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Old 02-27-2019, 02:16 PM   #12
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Itís scary reading people not setting parking brake. Here in California itís the law. Relying on Park pin in transmission is reducloud, a vehicle running into your rear will brake it and yours will roll. Those that donít use the parking brake are most likely the ones that donít turn the front wheels into the curb when parking on a hill. Iíve been driving for more than 60 years and have never found it an effort to set the parking brake.
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The automatic transmission has done nothing of the sort. Ever noticed that loud *BANG* and how hard it is to take the transmission out of park when parked on an incline sometimes? That's you forcing the parking pawl out of place as it holds the weight of the vehicle and prevents it from rolling. Enough wear or enough weight will cause it to break and away the truck goes. The parking brake is not only to take the load off the pawl but also for safety.

Our parking brakes are not "rusted over" because they are used every. single. time.

Pretty sure your vehicle owner's manual will tell you to use the parking brake all the time as well and will even tell you to set the parking brake before shifting into park.
Bingo. You and Major Malfunction nailed it. For an empty vehicle I'm not as concerned unless I'm on a hill, but while towing I almost always use it. If only some people understood what was actually attached to the shifter in the cab...
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Apparently us flat landers in Michigan are missing something. I don't know of one single person that ever sets the parking/emergency brake.
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Apparently us flat landers in Michigan are missing something. I don't know of one single person that ever sets the parking/emergency brake.
I love the guy filling the gas can. "What the...oh well, gotta finish filling the can..."



Parking brake is a nice safety net to have, between mechanical failure and human nature it's always a good idea to have something else keeping your vehicle from running away.

Some people really don't know any better when it comes to the parking brake, my daughter's boyfriend's mom had no idea why the loud *BANG* wasn't normal or good for her SUV until my daughter told her she should be using her parking brake. She just had no idea it was needed with an automatic.

If you know the reason and risks and still don't use it, well...good luck. I hope you don't end up injuring yourself or someone else someday as a result of your luck running out.

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You want to have the brakes engaged and transmission in Ö neutral. The stress that is being put on the parking pawls that lock the transmission can be too much if the weight is aggressively put into the truck and there is nothing to absorb the driveline shock (ie, the brakes).
You are correct. You tell 'em an ASE Certified Master Technician said so.
Daily driving (as opposed to loading) the sequence is foot on service brake, shift into neutral, foot off brake briefly (if not on a hill) to release suspension load, foot on brake, parking brake, tranny into park. NEVER use the transmission parking pawl to hold the vehicle on an incline.
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One can tell those who have never had their parking brake freeze while engaged in cold weather. There's a time and place not to use ur parking brake or u'r in deep do-do.
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I was in the fourth grade when our neighbor’s brand new 1969 Ford LTD slipped out of Park and rolled down his steep driveway, across the street and hit our family’s brick house, driving the entire rear of the car to the rear window. Ford cars of that era had a tendency to slip out of park and most driver’s ignored using the e-brake, even on steep hills.
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One can tell those who have never had their parking brake freeze while engaged in cold weather. There's a time and place not to use ur parking brake or u'r in deep do-do.


Itís not the cold thatís the problem, itís moisture. Subzero temps and never a problem with a frozen parking brake. I have had pads weld to rotors if parked when wet and had to work hard to free them. That wasnít related to the parking brake at all.
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Apparently us flat landers in Michigan are missing something. I don't know of one single person that ever sets the parking/emergency brake.
Yes, in the Upper Midwest (Minnesota and northern Illinois for me) we never used the parking brake in the winter because the salty snow would cause it to freeze on. Once or twice laying on your back in salty slush in your dress clothes with a Bernz-O-Matic, heating the cables until you heard/saw them release was enough to teach you.

And if you didn't use them in the winter, there was no reason to use them for the other six months either.

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