Washington state wants to ban gas & diesel

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by Jay2504

It’s going to take some real charge time improvements for this to work. Has anyone thought that some people just don’t want an EV? Jay

Absolutely. Read about people like that who just didn't want to give up their horse and buggy in my history books.

Life's full of examples like that. My late wife didn't want a microwave when we got married. My Son and I installed one one day while she was at work and when she got home it was instant love. Insisted that the trailer we bought in 1994 have one in it.

I wouldn't worry about HAVING to buy an EV if you don't want. Huge chance most of us here won't be around when that happens. Even our younger generation (like my grandkids) are turning away from automobiles, opting to use public transportation and ride share apps like Uber. No capital cost, no insurance, no maintenance, no garage required, and if they really need/want a vehicle it's now well within their budget to just rent for a week or so.


Like Bob Dylan wrote in 1964----

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin' **************

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by Jfkmk

There are negative ecological impacts associated with the damming required for hydro power as well.

There are also benefits. The Columbia River Project reclaimed a huge arid portion of our state into extremely productive farmland in addition to generating enough electricity to power all kinds of jobs.

[Qwkynuf]

Originally Posted by TitanMike

There are also benefits. The Columbia River Project reclaimed a huge arid portion of our state into extremely productive farmland in addition to generating enough electricity to power all kinds of jobs.

And devastated the salmon runs. because no good deed goes unpunished. Did you know that half of the hydropower produced by Columbia River dams belongs to Canada, as part of a treaty signed in 1961?

[SmackIt]

I travel the globe regularly and work in the automotive industry. The entire supply chain base is going electric. The largest crank shaft supplier in the world is converting to battery production because they know the days of the internal combustion engine are numbered. America is so far behind in its understanding of where the rest of the world is going. Most of Europe and Asia have already laid the groundwork to end sales of internal combustion engines between 2035~2050.

Look what this country accomplished on an industrial scale between 1940~1945 and then tell me we can't build the infrastructure to support electric vehicles.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by Qwkynuf

And devastated the salmon runs. because no good deed goes unpunished. Did you know that half of the hydropower produced by Columbia River dams belongs to Canada, as part of a treaty signed in 1961?

I think the "Protected" California Sea Lions that hang out below the first dam on the Columbia are doing their share of "devastating" the salmon runs too.

With protected status they just get to feast and get fat and over the years the word has gotten out among their numbers that the Bonneville Dam provides a great "buffet". Average Sea Lion eats 3-5 salmon a day. Estimated number of Sea Lions in the lower Columbia run as high as 3,000 for California Sea Lions and another 1,000 or so Stellar Sea Lions.

Considering the number of salmon they can eat, and that a salmon can lay up to 17,000 eggs, that's a lot of damage to the salmon runs alone.

Even protecting wildlife has it's negative consequences.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by SmackIt

Look what this country accomplished on an industrial scale between 1940~1945 and then tell me we can't build the infrastructure to support electric vehicles.

I don't think this country during WWII was faced with the same obstacles that exist today.

Back then when a nuclear plant was required, they just built it. When a Dam was needed they just built it. Need a transmission line to connect power plants to cities and factories, just build it.

Today just the review process can many more years than the actual construction time. Also, some groups that want to block development of infrastructure just keep filing lawsuits that delay, delay, delay, until the project costs make it unfeasible.

I recall a statement made several decades ago when the timber industry here on the West Coast was under fire by a national environmental "club". One of their executives stated that if the Spotted Owl didn't exist "we'd invent one" with the meaning quite clear that they would fight logging even if the science didn't support their arguments against.

The one thing this country had going for it during WWII was that most everyone was united in purpose. Today?

{Note: Please don't take my comments here as "Political" as I believe that all the issues I stated transcend political parties and affect EVERYONE.}

[SmackIt]

Originally Posted by TitanMike

The one thing this country had going for it during WWII was that most everyone was united in purpose. Today?

As the boomers die off and fall out of power, I think we're going to see a new level of unity amongst people that clearly understand the environmental catastrophe we're facing. It's their (and our) Pear Harbor moment.

[Jfkmk]

Originally Posted by TitanMike

There are also benefits. The Columbia River Project reclaimed a huge arid portion of our state into extremely productive farmland in addition to generating enough electricity to power all kinds of jobs.

Arid or not, an ecosystem was destroyed by this, and other dam projects. The point is, there is always an environmental impact by using energy. Whether it is burning fossil fuels to produce the energy, habitat impacts of solar, wind, of hydro power, there is always an impact.

[ppine]

Be careful about extrapolating when it comes to the use of natural resources. If one state commits to electric cars, that does not necessarily mean the other 49 will follow suit.

Internal combustion vehicles are an entrenched technology. Some of us love cars and trucks way beyond transportation. I think diesels will stick around for a long time. Look at the cars in Cuba. They are mostly from the 1950s and still on the road.

I would like to test drive an electric truck with a motor on all 4 wheels. I know they are fast and can tow a lot. They are low maintenance. The questions are all about battery longevity and charging and the infrastructure to support them. I would like to test drive an electric VW bus.

[Slow Moon]

Originally Posted by Jay2504

It’s going to take some real charge time improvements for this to work. Has anyone thought that some people just don’t want an EV? Jay

Titan Mike provided a more philosophical, poetic, and entertaining response, but to be concise, SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT CHANGE, PERIOD.

Whatever we want, change will come. I'll look for the silver lining and make the most of it.

[Larry-NC]

Originally Posted by ppine

I would like to test drive an electric truck with a motor on all 4 wheels. I know they are fast and can tow a lot. They are low maintenance. The questions are all about battery longevity and charging and the infrastructure to support them. I would like to test drive an electric VW bus.

Do you know what a "line truck" is? It's a heavy truck with a tool box bed, a bucket, an auger, and outriggers, often with a trailer of poles or pole slung alongside. I am sure they are well over the DOT limits.

The local energy provider, Duke Energy, has an electric-powered fleet! Some of these are line trucks.

They also have line trucks in which the auxiliary source for the bucket is a battery pack instead of the main engine or an auxiliary motor.

This is not simply a pilot program, or a showpiece for the greenies. We are talking about 100% of the fleet here.

I see the line trucks on the street all the time.

[DougW]

Originally Posted by Larry-NC

Do you know what a "line truck" is? It's a heavy truck with a tool box bed, a bucket, an auger, and outriggers, often with a trailer of poles or pole slung alongside. I am sure they are well over the DOT limits.

The local energy provider, Duke Energy, has electric-powered line trucks! Some of these are line trucks.

They also have line trucks in which the auxiliary source for the bucket is a battery pack instead of the main engine or an auxiliary motor.

This is not simply a pilot program, or a showpiece for the greenies. We are talking about 100% of the fleet here.

I see the line trucks on the street all the time.

As a former lineman I can see where this would work OK. If a line truck is driven 100 miles in a day it was lot of driving. Most of the work is done with the truck stationary. The rigging on them is almost all run by hydraulics so an electric motor to run the hydraulic pump would work pretty good.

[NMWildcat]

Originally Posted by Larry-NC

Do you know what a "line truck" is? It's a heavy truck with a tool box bed, a bucket, an auger, and outriggers, often with a trailer of poles or pole slung alongside. I am sure they are well over the DOT limits.

The local energy provider, Duke Energy, has electric-powered line trucks! Some of these are line trucks.

They also have line trucks in which the auxiliary source for the bucket is a battery pack instead of the main engine or an auxiliary motor.

This is not simply a pilot program, or a showpiece for the greenies. We are talking about 100% of the fleet here.

I see the line trucks on the street all the time.

Thanks for sharing. Interesting article. Some of our local utilities are doing the same. But these are all hybrid vehicles with onboard generators which makes them actually feasible for real world conditions and requirements. Hybrids I can actually see and get onboard with, pure electric, not so much in the foreseeable future.

[Larry-NC]

Originally Posted by DougW

As a former lineman I can see where this would work OK. If a line truck is driven 100 miles in a day it was lot of driving. Most of the work is done with the truck stationary. The rigging on them is almost all run by hydraulics so an electric motor to run the hydraulic pump would work pretty good.

I was thinking about this when I wrote the first of these posts. North Carolina is on the Atlantic Coast.

Hurricane Floyd 1999
Outbreak of 30 tornadoes 2011
Hurricane Irene 2011
Tropical Storm Julia 2016
Hurricane Matthew 2016
Hurricane Florence 2018
Hurricane Dorian 2019
Hurricane Isaias 2020 + tornadoes

We are fortunate that power companies from other states come to help us recover from these events through Mutual Aid Pacts. And of course Duke Energy deploys to other areas when they are damaged.

And this brings us to my question. How do you get a PHEV line truck from NC to Florida, Louisiana, or Texas in a hurry? Where do you find the charging stations for a typical convoy of 10-20 trucks?

[D W]

Originally Posted by SmackIt

As the boomers die off and fall out of power, I think we're going to see a new level of unity amongst people that clearly understand the environmental catastrophe we're facing. It's their (and our) Pear Harbor moment.

Everything gets blamed on the boomers, huh? The only thing you're going to see is our manufacturing die out completely due to endless lists of environmental concerns. Everything that you'll buy when this happens will have "Made In China" stamped on it. My mother used to say "be careful what you wish for, 'cause it may come true".

[U.S.ArmyVeteran]

Originally Posted by Larry-NC

I was thinking about this when I wrote the first of these posts. North Carolina is on the Atlantic Coast.

Hurricane Floyd 1999
Outbreak of 30 tornadoes 2011
Hurricane Irene 2011
Tropical Storm Julia 2016
Hurricane Matthew 2016
Hurricane Florence 2018
Hurricane Dorian 2019
Hurricane Isaias 2020 + tornadoes

We are fortunate that power companies from other states come to help us recover from these events through Mutual Aid Pacts. And of course Duke Energy deploys to other areas when they are damaged.

And this brings us to my question. How do you get a PHEV line truck from NC to Florida, Louisiana, or Texas in a hurry? Where do you find the charging stations for a typical convoy of 10-20 trucks?

Now you did it

You came up with logic. The bane of all emotion

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by Larry-NC

I was thinking about this when I wrote the first of these posts. North Carolina is on the Atlantic Coast.

Hurricane Floyd 1999
Outbreak of 30 tornadoes 2011
Hurricane Irene 2011
Tropical Storm Julia 2016
Hurricane Matthew 2016
Hurricane Florence 2018
Hurricane Dorian 2019
Hurricane Isaias 2020 + tornadoes

We are fortunate that power companies from other states come to help us recover from these events through Mutual Aid Pacts. And of course Duke Energy deploys to other areas when they are damaged.

And this brings us to my question. How do you get a PHEV line truck from NC to Florida, Louisiana, or Texas in a hurry? Where do you find the charging stations for a typical convoy of 10-20 trucks?

When I was in Europe and wanted to move armored vehicles in a hurry we put them on train cars that were pulled by Electric Locomotives. In this country we're so in love with highways people seem to forget we have trains.

[Qwkynuf]

Originally Posted by Larry-NC

Do you know what a "line truck" is? It's a heavy truck with a tool box bed, a bucket, an auger, and outriggers, often with a trailer of poles or pole slung alongside. I am sure they are well over the DOT limits.

The local energy provider, Duke Energy, has an electric-powered fleet! Some of these are line trucks.

They also have line trucks in which the auxiliary source for the bucket is a battery pack instead of the main engine or an auxiliary motor.

This is not simply a pilot program, or a showpiece for the greenies. We are talking about 100% of the fleet here.

I see the line trucks on the street all the time.

What is the current state of this project? Your first link is from 2016 and talks about things that are projected to happen in 2018. The second link is from October 2019, and the 3rd talks about what they intend to have done in 2020, but also mentions pilot projects slated for 2010-2012.

Have they made significant progress toward their goal? It would be great to have a successful program to point to.

[Larry-NC]

Originally Posted by Qwkynuf

What is the current state of this project? Your first link is from 2016 and talks about things that are projected to happen in 2018. The second link is from October 2019, and the 3rd talks about what they intend to have done in 2020, but also mentions pilot projects slated for 2010-2012.

Have they made significant progress toward their goal? It would be great to have a successful program to point to.

Good question. As I stated, I see all-electric line trucks all the time. I hadn't searched for the latest report, and I guess you didn't either. Here are some additional links.

5 days ago--Duke forms a subsidiary, eTransEnergy to help companies and cities transition commercial fleets to electric vehicles.

Sept. 8, 2020--Duke Energy advances climate strategy with aggressive pledge to electrify vehicle fleet by 2030. Duke Energy to convert 100% of its light-duty vehicles to electric and 50% of its combined fleet of medium-duty, heavy-duty and off-road vehicles to EVs, plug-in hybrids or other zero-carbon alternatives.

This undated post makes historic references to 2018, so it can be no more than two years old. Some extracts:

Electrifying our Fleet

To support Duke Energy’s initiative to reduce overall greenhouse gases and lower emissions from the transportation sector, we have over 600 electric vehicles in our fleet, including over 220 on-road vehicles. We are committed to increasing that number by purchasing electric vehicles that meet our needs as new vehicle styles and classes are released.

By 2030, we pledge to convert 100% of our nearly 4,000 light-duty vehicles to electric and 50% of our approximately 6,000 combined fleet of medium-duty, heavy-duty and off-road vehicles to EVs, plug-in hybrids or other zero-carbon alternatives as more of these options become available.

[Flybob]

Interesting video:

What is actually happening.
https://insideevs.com/news/486153/ga...Qj1Apj3wkWkK5s