Washington state wants to ban gas & diesel

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American manufacturing has been in decline for many years because of two things: automation and cheaper labor everywhere but the United States.

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We're 9 years away from 2030. That's a long time in terms of technology development. I'm excited to see it. Keep in mind that, most of the "bans" are only on the sale of new vehicles. The dates are targets, not a guarantee. Existing ICE vehicles and gas/diesel fueling stations will remain common for probably another decade and some genius will invent a retrofit kit to turn dinosaur burners into EVs.

My only concern as an RVer is that campgrounds will need to upgrade their internal infrastructure so that we can plug in our electric tow vehicles after we arrive. Who knows, maybe in 10 years all EVs have solar panels on their roofs/hoods or alternators on each wheel, and the campgrounds will have solar arrays that supplement the rural grid to provide enough electricity to charge EVs. It'll be interesting to see how the technology evolves.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by itat

We're 9 years away from 2030. That's a long time in terms of technology development. I'm excited to see it. Keep in mind that, most of the "bans" are only on the sale of new vehicles. The dates are targets, not a guarantee. Existing ICE vehicles and gas/diesel fueling stations will remain common for probably another decade and some genius will invent a retrofit kit to turn dinosaur burners into EVs.

My only concern as an RVer is that campgrounds will need to upgrade their internal infrastructure so that we can plug in our electric tow vehicles after we arrive. Who knows, maybe in 10 years all EVs have solar panels on their roofs/hoods or alternators on each wheel, and the campgrounds will have solar arrays that supplement the rural grid to provide enough electricity to charge EVs. It'll be interesting to see how the technology evolves.

Conversion kits are already available on the market for DIY'rs.

Remove ICE engine, cooling system, transmission, install Electric Motor, Battery, and controls.

Space occupied by items removed as well as fuel tank provide space for the battery/batteries.

Easier on RWD's than FWD's.

Needs a pretty "healthy wallet" though.

As for campground charging, we'll probably see the sites doubling up on 50 amp outlets. 12Kw for charging and another outlet for the house. We'll also see a corresponding increase in the rates.

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Originally Posted by TitanMike

Conversion kits are already available on the market for DIY'rs.

Remove ICE engine, cooling system, transmission, install Electric Motor, Battery, and controls.

Space occupied by items removed as well as fuel tank provide space for the battery/batteries.

Easier on RWD's than FWD's.

Needs a pretty "healthy wallet" though.

Well there you go! Thanks, Mike. I have every confidence that range and battery capacities will increase dramatically in the next 5 years. Tesla is already bosting they'll have a 500 mile range on the next gen S model. As EV sales increase, battery costs will decrease and the price of EVs will decrease. Of course gov't subsidies will disappear, too.

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Well there you go! Thanks, Mike. I have every confidence that range and battery capacities will increase dramatically in the next 5 years. Tesla is already bosting they'll have a 500 mile range on the next gen S model. As EV sales increase, battery costs will decrease and the price of EVs will decrease. Of course gov't subsidies will disappear, too.

I was in the local Outback Energy facility about 15 years ag and got to spend time talking with one of their engineers. Discussion centered aroung how the main limiting factor in integrating solar into everyday use was the battery technology. Same holds true for EV's

Since that discussion batteries have made a quantum leap forward in storage capacity and weight. Now consider how much more advanced the technology will be 15 years from now (or sooner).

Just remember how fast the advancements came in the computer industry.

From large "Room Heater" servers of the 80's to the same computing power you can put in your pocket today.

Same is happening with battery tech.

"Lead is Dead" and it won"t be long before new tech becomes competive enough to squeeze the old tech out of the market on envoronmental grounds alone.

Lower weight and increased longevity will only provide more nails for the coffin.

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You all do realize that the oil companies will shift their infrastructure AND INVESTMENTS to electric then control prices.States will have to charge per mile to upkeep roads As will federal. To charge your vehicle will cost what THEY want to charge. Electricity will become a local commodity Not global. JUST WAIT!

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