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Old 06-12-2021, 06:29 PM   #1
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WDH F250 GEO PRO 20ft

I gotta ask? The F250 has built in sway control, brake controller more than enough tow range for a Geo Pro 20fbs.

We pull a 19 foot Two horse trailer with front end storage no problems and a 4wheel Hawk in the bed.
Why will I need a WDH for the GEO PRO? it just seem overkill for a 20 foot TT.

I have to get one when I take it off the lot per dealer. A Husky installed for 700 bucks.

So did I ask a dumb question?

Do I really need one?

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Old 06-12-2021, 07:07 PM   #2
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I gotta ask? The F250 has built in sway control, brake controller more than enough tow range for a Geo Pro 20fbs.

We pull a 19 foot Two horse trailer with front end storage no problems and a 4wheel Hawk in the bed.
Why will I need a WDH for the GEO PRO? it just seem overkill for a 20 foot TT.

I have to get one when I take it off the lot per dealer. A Husky installed for 700 bucks.

So did I ask a dumb question?

Do I really need one?

Consult your truck's owners manual and look through the Towing section. It'll have a specific hitch weight that requires a WDH. On 1/2 tons, any hitch weight over 500lbs or towing weight over 5000lbs, requires a WDH.
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Doubt you'll need to distribute the weight, but you should have sway control on your hitch. The vehicle's sway control will not be able to prevent sway, and that is what you need to do.
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Doubt you'll need to distribute the weight, but you should have sway control on your hitch. The vehicle's sway control will not be able to prevent sway, and that is what you need to do.
Agree. I wouldn't pull any single axle trailer that large, without a anti-sway bar.
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Old 06-13-2021, 07:39 AM   #5
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As long as your F250 has the hitch capacity to handle the TT without a WDH and you can show the dealer I don't see why you need to spend $700 for one.

If you load the trailer correctly you should have no issues with sway. Keep tongue weight at 15%.

This sounds like a ploy to get you to spend more money.
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Old 06-13-2021, 11:55 AM   #6
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I think you're good with your '17 F250 not needing a WDH. The 2016 and earlier (at least with the 6.2) models required a WDH for anything over 600 lbs tongue weight. In '17 they changed those specs to not really "requiring" one.

Print off page 7 of this link and reference the bottom chart. It looks like the hitch can handle 1500 tongue weight and 15000 trailer weight, WDH or not.

The truck itself (based on configuration) is rated to bumper pull anywhere from 12,500 to 18,000 lbs.

2017 Ford Super Duty Pickup Trailer Towing Selector


Also note that you can buy a Husky Centerline TS for $388 on Amazon and they are very easy to set up on your own.
Husky 32217 Center Line TS with Spring Bars - 600 lb. to 800 lb. Tongue Weight Capacity (2-5/16" Ball)
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Old 06-13-2021, 01:30 PM   #7
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First thanks to EVERYONE that replied I appriacte that very much. I have tried to keep this to a minimum for reading.

"DO I NEED SWAY AND WT CONTROL" or are the DEALERS (Giant RV type Place very large ) Wink wink. Trying to take me to the cleaners for 700 by sayiing they won't let me leave without a WDH. I plan on Small Claims for 700 if they say my truck can't do this after showing them this Post with info.

The Truck Info:

Trailer Sway Control:
Works in conjunction with AdvanceTracģ with
RSC (Roll Stability Control™) to detect trailer
sway and reduce it as necessary

Trailer Brake Controller (TBC)(5)
Ensures smooth and effective trailer braking
by powering the trailer’s brakes with an output
proportional to the towing vehicle’s brake
pressure.

Tow/Haul Mode
=====================================
Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight (lbs.)
Max Weight Carry
13,000 lbs

Max Wt Distr'ing
13,000 lbs

GCWR Gross Combined Weight Rating
25,700 lbs
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GEO PRO 20FBS
4310 lbs with the UVW and CCC
410 lbs Tung Wt

13,000 Minus 4310 for just the trailer leaves 8690 lbs Excess TW?
=========================================

So Weight major room here...

What about the Trailer Sway Control?
The Roll Stability Control system has two gyroscopic sensors that measure vehicle roll and turning rates. By selectively braking and adjusting engine power the Trailer Sway Control system is able to maintain trailer control and help prevent sway, resulting in improved stability and providing greater driver confidence.

Video Link:Trailer Sway Control Revealed


PS: We tow are horses all over with just our ball 2. 5/16 Sway Never once with our setup, level and the Weigh Safe Ball shows 500 lbs.. when hooked.

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The Dealer is trying to take you for a ride . they haven no legal authority to stop you from hooking up and going WD or not . you bought the trailer it's yours and they can't say squat . this is reverse of what Dealer normally do . under normal circumstances you would pull in with a 1/4 truck and they will say that truck can handle that 10,000 lbs trailer no problem . lmao . get it and go . if you feel you want a sway control then the Andersen WDH is perfect for you
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Hey. If you must get one go with the Anderson, install it yourself and if you donít want to use the WDH, the ball alone prevents sway. Save yourself some money.
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Ha ha....your dealer is an idiot. I tow a 3,500 tt with my Tacoma with no WDH, no issues, I think your 250 is over kill.
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Old 06-13-2021, 06:35 PM   #11
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Thank you Everyone I'll make my case to the dealer when I get to the lot for the walk thru. That way no shenanigans on their part.

I'm sure any small claims court would back me up on the facts, Heck even Ford Motors say's the F250 2017's and on don't need WDH's on most TT or Ts.

Ill let them push the agenda if they wish to and get then in the Hitchs after going thru the inspection and a month or more during shake down.

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Old 06-13-2021, 07:42 PM   #12
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Thank you Everyone I'll make my case to the dealer when I get to the lot for the walk thru. That way no shenanigans on their part.

I'm sure any small claims court would back me up on the facts, Heck even Ford Motors say's the F250 2017's and on don't need WDH's on most TT or Ts.

Ill let them push the agenda if they wish to and get then in the Hitchs after going thru the inspection and a month or more during shake down.

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You got the WRONG mindset!

Get over "taking them to small claims" and nip it in the bud before signing and paying for the trailer. Say, "Per Ford's literature, I am NOT required, nor will I be purchasing a WDH."

If they will not sell you a trailer based on that, they are not a good, trustworthy dealer and you should NOT buy from them.

If they're willing to lose a trailer sale over something that the customer is correct on, F them.

It will be much more difficult for you to have any success signing paperwork agreeing to buy a trailer with a WDH, using the WDH, and then essentially returning a used unit through court.

Just print off that page 7 from the link I put in post #6. There's no way they can require that. And, if they do, force them to provide their written policy requiring it. I bet they can't produce it.
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An F250 would be a great truck to tow that trailer with, with or without a WDH. Hitch weight is important when determining necessity for WDH. Google Ford towing guide, for your 2017 model truck. On page 28 of my 2015 guide is hitch weight/towing weight with and without WDH. My F150 is 5000 lb trailer weight, 500 lb tongue weight limit. That would not work with my trailer, so my WDH addition increased my max trailer weight to 12,200, tongue weight to 1220 lbs! For the 2015 F250, every model is different, but your trailer probably is below those limits. Adding a WDH effectively doubles what your limit it without it.
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An F250 would be a great truck to tow that trailer with, with or without a WDH. Hitch weight is important when determining necessity for WDH. Google Ford towing guide, for your 2017 model truck.
Referenced in post #6. 2017 changed to not requiring a WDH.
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I pull a 35ft Hemisphere lite 282RK with a 2012 F350 that has airbags on the suspension. The only thing I have on it is a sway bar that's it. Had no problems
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Theyíre trying to rip you off big time. RVWholesalers sells the Equalizer 10K for 624.99 installed with new rigs and itís 10X the hitch the Husky is theyíre trying to sell you,lol!
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Harbor Freight $210 weight distribution hitch. Before 20% coupon. Install it yourself. Show that dealer trying to rip you off the one finger salute on your way off the lot.
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Theyíre trying to rip you off big time. RVWholesalers sells the Equalizer 10K for 624.99 installed with new rigs and itís 10X the hitch the Husky is theyíre trying to sell you,lol!
The OP hasn't stated which model hitch it is.

Are all Husky hitches bad?

They do make one that is apples to apples the Equalizer E4.
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It's a huskey 86 something... Ill look it tomorow and thank you for your other post.
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Hey. If you must get one go with the Anderson, install it yourself and if you donít want to use the WDH, the ball alone prevents sway. Save yourself some money.
The ball alone will not prevent sway on the Anderson. It needs the chains connected to do that. Otherwise, it is just a very expensive ball.
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