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06-09-2016, 11:05 AM
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Senior Member
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WDH with 3/4 and 1 ton trucks
I've been eyeing some heavier trucks. Mainly 3500hd crew cab srw chevies. I've also seen a used 2015 3500 hd dually crew cab. and looked at a few 2500hd trucks. All with diesel.
This leads me to ask this question since I've always had 1/2 ton (silverado 1500) and always used wdh and sway control.
Do you really need the wdh once you start using the heavy duty trucks to tow with?
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06-09-2016, 11:10 AM
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Yes. No matter how heavy duty the truck, a bumper pull removes weight off of the front axle. A WD hitch puts that weight back on the front axle.
A light front end makes for bad towing.
Now, how heavy the truck and how heavy the trailer are things that you must evaluate in a WD need or not.
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06-09-2016, 11:11 AM
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A WD hitch also lifts the rear end. That is less of an issue the bigger truck you get.
Unloading the front is still an issue.
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06-09-2016, 11:11 AM
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Who Dares, Wins
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I still use WD, I think it still tows much better even if the trailer and truck may not "technically" needed.
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06-09-2016, 11:29 AM
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Senior Member
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I use a WDH with my 3/4 T
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06-09-2016, 11:36 AM
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A lot of states have laws that require wdh and brakes based on weight of trailer. I use mine with my 1 ton, and on my landscape trailer when carrying anything over 4K.
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06-09-2016, 11:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KingFisher
Do you really need the wdh once you start using the heavy duty trucks to tow with?
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YES you do.
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06-09-2016, 11:46 AM
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Yes, but once you switch to a fifth well, it's much easier. 😁😁😁👍👍👍👍
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06-09-2016, 11:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jtstromsburg
Yes, but once you switch to a fifth well, it's much easier. 😁😁😁👍👍👍👍
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I figure I'll end up with a 5th wheel someday, so next truck will be a 3500HD. Whether or not it's srw or drw is the only question.
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06-09-2016, 12:33 PM
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The Ford Towing Guide calls for a WDH on even the heaviest vehicles, when TW exceeds 500 lbs.
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06-09-2016, 12:47 PM
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The only trailer I never needed a wdh was a 24 ft enclosed car trailer towing with a dully. Never a sway problem till I started towing TT. No way to really adjust tt weight to not to be able to use a wdh. Lter RJD
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06-09-2016, 12:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doc73
I still use WD, I think it still tows much better even if the trailer and truck may not "technically" needed.
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Ditto 
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06-09-2016, 01:05 PM
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Professional Curmudgeon
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I have two TT's; one has a tongue weight of about 980 lbs. while the other only weighs about 450 lbs. My hitch is rated for 600 lbs. weight carrying. I use the WDH on the heavier camper, but just a plain draw bar on the lighter one. I have pulled both several thousand miles without any issue.
Pulling a TT with a tongue weight below what your hitch is rated for is no different than carrying a load in the bed of the truck.
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06-09-2016, 04:39 PM
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My issue is the method used for adjusting my WDH (Equal-i-zer) is how much the front wheel-well changes when the TT is hitched. The rear wheel-wells on my F-250 lower significantly with and without the WDH, but the front only raises about a 1/4". Putting a minimal amount of lift from the WDH bars gets the front wheel-wells back to the unloaded position.
I guess the only way to be sure is to weigh the TV and TT combo with and without WDH, but even then, I am under the impression that you never lower the front wheel-wells lower than when unloaded.
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06-09-2016, 08:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wrvond
Pulling a TT with a tongue weight below what your hitch is rated for is no different than carrying a load in the bed of the truck.
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This statement could not be more wrong.
Towing a TT puts a bunch of weight far behind the rear axle. This is the reason for WD.
A load in the bed is normally distributed much better, which would be like towing a 5er.
If the load in the bed is all the way in the rear, it is still a foot or more closer to the rear axle than a TT's tongue weight.
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06-09-2016, 09:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 325BH
This statement could not be more wrong.
Towing a TT puts a bunch of weight far behind the rear axle. This is the reason for WD.
A load in the bed is normally distributed much better, which would be like towing a 5er.
If the load in the bed is all the way in the rear, it is still a foot or more closer to the rear axle than a TT's tongue weight.
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I would submit your statements are incorrect and argumentative. For example - a statement that contains the word "normally" is a statistical assessment that I doubt you can back up with any kind of evidence. When I put something in the bed of the truck at, say, Lowe's or similar, that I have to unload by myself when I get home, I invariably put it as close to the tailgate as I possibly can and still close the gate, and since the ball of my hitch is less than six inches from the receiver, I'd say it's close enough to make my statement true.
Where the pin weight of a fiver is distributed is not the same as your hypothetical load that is evenly distributed across the entire bed, either.
And since I didn't invent the WDH I won't pretend to know why it was invented, but since I do understand how it works I'd bet getting weight back on the steering axle is more important than reducing weight on the rear axle.
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06-09-2016, 09:42 PM
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Senior Member
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Personally, I would pick up a heavy duty ball mount and go with it (as long as the hitch weight is less than the hitch rating).
Honestly, if you read too much on the the internet then you would end up with a Freightliner truck to pull the smallest of travel trailers.
I roll with my 24' race car trailer on a HD ball mount, and have pulled a 32' trailer with two race cars in it on the same ball mount.
Careful when reading the Internet. It can cost you allot of dough!
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06-10-2016, 07:33 AM
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Yesserree...and the longer the wheelbase the better....go with an 8ft bed..
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06-10-2016, 07:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyinfla
......and the longer the wheelbase the better....go with an 8ft bed..
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06-10-2016, 07:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by head gamez
Personally, I would pick up a heavy duty ball mount and go with it (as long as the hitch weight is less than the hitch rating).
Honestly, if you read too much on the the internet then you would end up with a Freightliner truck to pull the smallest of travel trailers.
I roll with my 24' race car trailer on a HD ball mount, and have pulled a 32' trailer with two race cars in it on the same ball mount.
Careful when reading the Internet. It can cost you allot of dough!
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