weighing questions

[tmj]

Hi,
Tom here---bought a Rockwood Mini Lite last December and F 150 last November. Trying to get set to got traveling full time in June. Been concerned about weights so I took truck and trailer to the local CAT scale. I want to post my results. I'm concerned about the Rear GAWR .
So I have a F 150 KR with max tow package. Here are the sticker weights
Front GAWR---3,650#
Rear GAWR---4,050 #
Total GVWR 7,050#
GCWR 18,400#
Max Tow Capaity--12,900#
Truck is loaded as I will be traveling--except for 80# dog
Trailer dry weight(according to label) -5,209#
Trailer is empty--nothing added
I Took the truck up by itself
Drive axle---3,420#
Trailer axle--3,040 #
Gross weight--6,460#
Then I took the trailer to the scale
Steer axle--3.320#
Drive axle--3.860#
Trailer axle--4,960#(not sure what this is and scale master wasn't sure)
Gross weight--12,140#
He said the Steer axle was the Front axle and the Drive axle was the Rear axle and 3,860 minus 3,040 or 820 # was the tongue weight.

I'd appreciate your input. plan to travel for 1 to 2 plus years mainly out west, so do not want to have issues

Also wanted to mention that the trailer pitches 1.25" to the front and the truck pitches 3" to the rear

[bikendan]

Would be nice if you posted the one sticker missing, the Tires and Loading sticker payload capacity. It says "Occupants and cargo should not exceed xxxxlbs".

[Boomerweps]

Based on the data given:
When you had your truck weighed by itself, GVWR - measured GVW = 590# remaining CC.
Assuming you meant steer axle, drive axle, total vice drive, trailer, total when the truck was scaled by itself. When you subtract the difference on the TV rear drive axle with and without the TT that indeed leaves 820# BUT the tongue weight has tilted TV steer axle weight 100# to the rear, so your actual tongue weight is more like 720#.
All the above doesn't address a Weight Distributing Hitch, if one was used.
Bottom line: you are over Your truck's GVWR when towing as set up currently.
With a WDH, some weight is distributed forward to the drive axle and some rearward to the trailer axle(s).
You need to reassess your loading, move as much as you can out of the truck and into the trailer.

[tmj]

the truck payload is 1,582 lb

I had a E2 hitch on

[dbledan]

I do agree some things need to move around because the TT needs to be more level but I also think the hitch needs some adjustments.

Not sure if this gets you under GVWR but it needs to happen and make get your numbers to work.

I have not worked on an E2 but from the setup I reviewed it sounds like it needs adjustment as you are under adjusted.
To correct it you must add spacer washers, or raise the L-brackets to distribute the weight better. See attached. Use the table in the second pic. These are from the E2 manual if you need a closer look.

Then you can move gear around if you have to after a reweigh.

You need to return more weight to the front and also get the trailer level or just slightly nose down. This should also get the truck a bit more level. Squat is expected but you need to be closer to level on the truck and the trailer.

I am no expert with the E2 so perhaps someone who has one can provide more assistance but this should give you somewhere to start.

Best of luck on your adventure. I am jealous.

[Boomerweps]

Concur with Dbledan, I don't think your WDH is set quite right.
Mine pushes some weight to the steer axle and some back to the trailer axle.
Right now you are losing weight forward on your steer axle.
Another weighing you should do, after adjusting the WDH, is with WDH spring bars and without. That will tell you how much weight is being distributed by the hitch.
I haven't Scaled with my new larger tow vehicle but on my previous tow vehicle my WDH pushed 220# to the steer and 80# to the trailer axle and 140# off the drive axle. I know the math seems weird but those were the readings.

[Mike134]

You have almost 1000lbs of stuff in the truck? Payload sticker 1582, 7050 gross less 6460 loaded is 590. 1582-590 = 992 more pounds of stuff in the truck than it left from the factory. And they do count 150 lb driver and full tank of gas in the payload rating

[bikendan]

Originally Posted by Mike134

You have almost 1000lbs of stuff in the truck? Payload sticker 1582, 7050 gross less 6460 loaded is 590. 1582-590 = 992 more pounds of stuff in the truck than it left from the factory. And they do count 150 lb driver and full tank of gas in the payload rating

Payload capacity only counts a full fuel tank, in the number. Driver is considered as an Occupant.
It's TOWING capacity that counts a 150lb driver and full tank.

[Boomerweps]

Math is FUN!
Your stickered GVWR minus your carry capacity is your vehicle's base weight with a full tank.
Your GCWR minus your GVWR and a generic 150# driver should be your listed tow rating. Yup, it's based on maximizing towing with the empty truck to get those advertising credits.
So for every pound you add to the truck takes away one pound from towing capacity. A concept I've recently discovered and embraced. I weigh 215# so I was down 65# towing capacity when I bought my truck ;(
IOW, your Cargo Capacity number is part of your tow rating!

[tmj]

funny thing is I only added 200# of stuff in the bed. I weighed every thing i put in. It's a King Ranch and the dealer added a bed liner, swing out boxes and a cover. Not sure what that stuff weighed. Guy down the street has a 2019 F150 with a payload of 1900#---he's pulling a 34' trailer.
Anyway since I'm selling my house and going traveling full time I did not want to be marginal, so I traded the KR in on a 2020 F 250. It has a payload of 3,066#. Not worried any more.

Thanks to all who commented

Tom

[rsdata]

Math is FUN!

YUP! sum times spealing two