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04-22-2013, 08:32 PM
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What tow vehicle are you using for 36CKTS?
Now that we have our 36CKTS ordered we must get serious about a tow vehicle. We would prefer a short bed, single wheel but getting real world numbers for weights is difficult. Also if you have weighed your 36CKTS would really help to have that. Hitch weight is very critical.
We did a search for this type info but results were disappointing so would really appreciate your input.
Thanks for your expert assistance,
Jim
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04-22-2013, 08:45 PM
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Location: Esterhazy, SK
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If you haven't gone nuts with options then the "real" weight should be really close to what the factory says...In my case I have the Touring Edition 36RE...factory specs state low 12000 reality is low 13000, factory pin is 2200, reality is 2360. Full Body Paint, Thermal Pane Windows, Gen Prep, 6 Point Leveling, 4 door fridge, TrailAire Pinbox, etc, etc, all add to the factory numbers.
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04-22-2013, 08:49 PM
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04-22-2013, 08:51 PM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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Here's another...
Tow Vehicle Sizing
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04-22-2013, 09:03 PM
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Certified Curmudgeon
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We towed our 36CKTS with a 2010 Ford F250 Crew Cab Short Bed 6.4L Diesel. There are no duallys in that configuration.
We weighed it EMPTY and we were at 2300 lbs on the pin. GCVW was 19,900.
What we also found was that we were 90lbs under the max tire capacity. Since we had 17" wheels, the highest tire rating you can get was E which maxed out at 3195 lbs. My DW has 90 lbs in shoes alone! So I picked up 2 18"wheels and some 4600 lb rated rubber and we were good to go except... We were now over our GAWR. Lots of folks are comfortable with that because the tires were the limiting factor. If I had a lower ratio rear axle it might have been better but the 3.30:1 yielded 7 mpg on our cross country and I only had a 26 gal tank. We also got blown all over the place with crosswinds and anything passing. It just wore me out.
We used a Pull Rite 2700 auto slider to save the rear window.
Now we have a 2012 F-350 6.7L Ford Diesel. It is a Super Cab Dually and it has the complete Ford 5th Wheel/Gooseneck
Tow options package(s). It is Rear Wheel Drive only but has the new RSC electronics along with all the usual Ford towing upgrades. My loaded pin weight is 3000 lbs and I am 100 lbs under max gross trailer weight. On the TV, I am way under everything. Last 3000 mile trip averaged 12.0 mpg and I have 37.5 gal. tank.
I would not tow at this weight with a SRW nor would I tow with a short bed again. But that is just my opinion.
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04-22-2013, 09:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleFudd
Now that we have our 36CKTS ordered we must get serious about a tow vehicle. We would prefer a short bed, single wheel but getting real world numbers for weights is difficult. Also if you have weighed your 36CKTS would really help to have that. Hitch weight is very critical.
We did a search for this type info but results were disappointing so would really appreciate your input.
Thanks for your expert assistance,
Jim
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Jim
How many miles a year do you plan to use/drive your new Cedar Creek?
If you are planning long distances for your vacations I would suggest a Ford F-250 2 wheel drive duelly, short bed with the 6.7L diesel. If you get a short bed you will need a slider hitch but I feel you will find full size beds easier. Also consider the Ford in-bed 5th wheel mount from the Ford Factory. See the attached picture of my bed of my truck with factory RV package and sprayed in bed liner.
If you have the money buy a new one but if you find a good quality
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04-22-2013, 09:29 PM
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Always Learning
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Might I recommend, if you don't have the truck yet to do the math off of the gross trailer weight and worst case scenario? That way you're good to go no matter what the actual weight comes in at.
For instance, truck alone - I was shocked when I weighed and saw how much of my payload was eaten up by or add-one to the trucks hitch and people/traveling stuff (almost 1,200 pounds!).
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04-22-2013, 10:10 PM
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Certified Curmudgeon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy
...I would suggest a Ford F-250 2 wheel drive duelly, short bed...
...Also consider the Ford in-bed 5th wheel mount from the Ford Factory.
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Iggy,
I don't believe there is an F250 Dually anything.
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The Ford factory 5th wheel/gooseneck mount package is under the bed, just like yours.
Also, it looks like your TV is a gasser with some tail sag. I have some old Timbrens that will fix that for you. 
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04-22-2013, 10:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckogram
Iggy,
I don't believe there is an F250 Dually anything.
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The Ford factory 5th wheel/gooseneck mount package is under the bed, just like yours.
Also, it looks like your TV is a gasser with some tail sag. I have some old Timbrens that will fix that for you. |
Yes i meant to say F-350. I have a F-250. I stand corrected
No tail sag. It was the parked location that was weird.
I no longer have the trailer. I have a motorhome now
Thanks
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04-24-2013, 04:09 PM
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Junior Member
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Thanks to all for your input. The info and advice is a big help, just wish everything did not point to a long bed dual wheel truck.
Jim
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04-25-2013, 06:02 PM
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I tow my 2013 36 ckts with a 2012 F350 dually 6.7 when I actually have possession of it and its not in for repairs.
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04-27-2013, 07:35 AM
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Rich and Char
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: NJ
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Dually , and never look back....
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04-27-2013, 07:42 AM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rich and char
Dually , and never look back....
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Yep I second that notion!
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04-27-2013, 02:42 PM
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You gotta have them training wheels to tow trailers in the class of the 36CKTS. To attempt towing with anything less than a "Dually" will only add to your indigestion & aggravation!
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05-12-2013, 07:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey
You gotta have them training wheels to tow trailers in the class of the 36CKTS. To attempt towing with anything less than a "Dually" will only add to your indigestion & aggravation!
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I agree, Dually is the only way to go!
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05-12-2013, 08:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rich and char
Dually , and never look back....
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Yep!
Training wheels for excellent sway control!! 
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05-12-2013, 08:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bob34787
I tow my 2013 36 ckts with a 2012 F350 dually 6.7 when I actually have possession of it and its not in for repairs.
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Do we detect a bit of sarcasm here? 
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05-12-2013, 09:32 AM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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Quote:
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Do we detect a bit of sarcasm here? |
Stir it up Coot... slow day today. 
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05-12-2013, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by grayfox
Stir it up Coot... slow day today. |
Not me, I was just quoting bob34787's comment and asking a question.
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05-12-2013, 10:15 AM
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Phat Phrog Stunt Team
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCoot
Not me, I was just quoting bob34787's comment and asking a question.
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Fair question for sure.
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