Why can we not simply ban f-150/1500 Towing trolls

[Thatdarncat]

Why are there so many my F-150 or 1500 towing trolls? Yes yes yes, I know it can " tow anything" but is it safe to do so with a 25ft box at 6k+?

[Cost4133]

a new f150/1500 has far better tow capacity, payload, brakes, and power than a 2500/3500 truck from the 90s so yes i do think it can and dont see anything wrong with it. For the record i have a 3500.

[carguy4471]

Originally Posted by Cost4133

a new f150/1500 has far better tow capacity, payload, brakes, and power than a 2500/3500 truck from the 90s so yes i do think it can and dont see anything wrong with it. For the record i have a 3500.

I think the opposite is true as well. Technology has worked in everyone’s favor.

[MR.M]

WHY ! lots of rv's out there that a 1/2 ton can tow safely , and why do you call them trolls ? A 25' box with a weight at 6k+ is nothing for a 1/2 ton to tow safely .

[Mike134]

Originally Posted by Thatdarncat

Why are there so many my F-150 or 1500 towing trolls? Yes yes yes, I know it can " tow anything" but is it safe to do so with a 25ft box at 6k+?

I do it all the time. What online imaginary" facts" would cause you to think otherwise?

Remember folks online are not experts but play one when online.

Safe travels

[Cabinfever97]

Originally Posted by Cost4133

a new f150/1500 has far better tow capacity, payload, brakes, and power than a 2500/3500 truck from the 90s so yes i do think it can and dont see anything wrong with it. For the record i have a 3500.

Even todays 2500s are not equal. My 2500 Silverado is not nearly the truck my F250 is. According to manufacture specs the F250 is a bit better than the Silverado. Side by side, looking at the build with your own eyes, and from behind the wheel the F250 is and tows much better. I say that because I believe that's where the F150 nay sayers come from. No matter what factory specs say, my Silverado 2500 would tow better than the F150 and the F250 the best of them all with the max load for the F150. It is the feeling, not specifications, of towing safely. Both mental and physical feelings. I also do not think those who chime in, well most, are not looking to knock a half ton owner down. I think most are looking at it from a safety point of view. Again, more perceived and felt over specifications.

[Mike134]

Originally Posted by Cabinfever97

It is the feeling, not specifications, of towing safely. Both mental and physical feelings.

/\ /\ /\ this I'll use an analogy from work. My work requires us to be in elevated platforms either a scissors lift or boom. Perfectly safe at 30' off the ground yet some folks can never get comfortable with the little bit of sway you get so for them it's a "white knuckle" experience and they will never have a different viewpoint.

[Cost4133]

Originally Posted by Mike134

/\ /\ /\ this I'll use an analogy from work. My work requires us to be in elevated platforms either a scissors lift or boom. Perfectly safe at 30' off the ground yet some folks can never get comfortable with the little bit of sway you get so for them it's a "white knuckle" experience and they will never have a different viewpoint.

good analogy and that is me. i cant do heights or the bounce of a lift. But ill tow a 30ft camperwith a 1500 no problem

[SVTodd]

Originally Posted by Cabinfever97

Again, more perceived and felt over specifications.

Well you are inviting people to tow over manufacturer stated limits then, as many people "perceive" their combo is safe when it's clearly overloaded. Perception is all relative depending on your experience.

For example traditional WDH users who have never towed with a projection hitch (henesly/propride) will not have the same perception as someone who has towed with one. Hence the reason 95% of the people who have used a projection hitch say they would never tow a travel trailer without one ever again. The only people who move on from a projection hitch are the ones that move up to a 5th wheel. I've never heard of someone going from a projection hitch back to a traditional WDH. That doesn't mean a traditional WDH is not safe.

Same thing with 1/2 ton, HD trucks. Most people who have the experience of towing with a HD truck would likely never go back to towing with a 1/2 ton at anything more than 50% of the truck's ratings. It doesn't mean it's not safe to tow at near the stated limits of a 1/2 ton. But one's perception of what feels safe or stable is dependent on their experience.

I went from towing at the limit of 1/2 ton to towing at the limit of a 3/4 ton. Without the propride I'd probably be white knuckling with my current combo and looking at buying a 1 ton DRW and then be inclined to tell people not to bother with 3/4 ton trucks. Instead when people are asking about towing near the limtis of their truck I suggest they look into the propride.

Bottom line is perception is only a good gauge for anything if the person doing the perceiving has a wide range of experience from bad to good.

[Thatdarncat]

Originally Posted by Cost4133

a new f150/1500 has far better tow capacity, payload, brakes, and power than a 2500/3500 truck from the 90s so yes i do think it can and dont see anything wrong with it. For the record i have a 3500.

Yes I realize that, but its the constant " can I or I do hook up a 50ft trailer and pull all 20k down the road", knowing good and well it's a fools game

[timfromma]

The only numbers that matters for towing purposes are the GVWR of the trailer and the payload capacity of the tow vehicle. It doesn't matter if it says 1500, 2500 or 3500 on the door.

[Jfkmk]

When I see a topic that doesn’t interest me or one that would get me upset (that hasn’t happened yet) I simply don’t read it. It beats trying to ban a subject that someone might need an honest answer to.

[Cabinfever97]

Originally Posted by SVTodd

Well you are inviting people to tow over manufacturer stated limits then, as many people "perceive" their combo is safe when it's clearly overloaded. Perception is all relative depending on your experience.

For example traditional WDH users who have never towed with a projection hitch (henesly/propride) will not have the same perception as someone who has towed with one. Hence the reason 95% of the people who have used a projection hitch say they would never tow a travel trailer without one ever again. The only people who move on from a projection hitch are the ones that move up to a 5th wheel. I've never heard of someone going from a projection hitch back to a traditional WDH. That doesn't mean a traditional WDH is not safe.

Same thing with 1/2 ton, HD trucks. Most people who have the experience of towing with a HD truck would likely never go back to towing with a 1/2 ton at anything more than 50% of the truck's ratings. It doesn't mean it's not safe to tow at near the stated limits of a 1/2 ton. But one's perception of what feels safe or stable is dependent on their experience.

I went from towing at the limit of 1/2 ton to towing at the limit of a 3/4 ton. Without the propride I'd probably be white knuckling with my current combo and looking at buying a 1 ton DRW and then be inclined to tell people not to bother with 3/4 ton trucks. Instead when people are asking about towing near the limtis of their truck I suggest they look into the propride.

Bottom line is perception is only a good gauge for anything if the person doing the perceiving has a wide range of experience from bad to good.

You totally miscomprehended what I was saying. Cost4133 got it exactly! You wrongly assumed I was inferring if it feels good to you then do it, specifications be damned.

[Pred]

Originally Posted by Jfkmk

When I see a topic that doesn’t interest me or one that would get me upset (that hasn’t happened yet) I simply don’t read it. It beats trying to ban a subject that someone might need an honest answer to.

Yes, and unfortunately, there will always be someone that wants to ban things they don't agree with or bothers them and impose there will on others. Ignore them.

[ppine]

Look what you started.

[timfromma]

Here's an analogy I heard once that I think makes sense.


Person 1 likes activity A but wants activities B and C banned.
Person 2 likes activity B but wants activities A and C banned.
Person 3 likes activity C but wants activities A and B banned.


A vote is taken. Each activity got banned by a 2/3 majority.


If we don't hang together, we will be hung separately.

[RussPastuch]

Yep, towed both a 25 and a 26 footer with the 150. Maybe not so happy on really steep hills but certainly made it without feeling like it was going to explode. OTOH, I am from Canada and cruise at 55mph, whereas I see a lot of people think 70 is slow

[acadianbob]

For every person that tows too much with their truck, there are 3 that feel you need a 1 ton diesel to tow a 25' 6,000 pound trailer.

[Mike134]

Originally Posted by acadianbob

For every person that tows too much with their truck, there are 3 that feel you need a 1 ton diesel to tow a 25' 6,000 pound trailer.

AMEN!!!!

[clarkbre]

Originally Posted by Thatdarncat

Why are there so many my F-150 or 1500 towing trolls?....

To feed the diesel trolls. If we eliminate the 1/2 ton towing questions, will you guys commit to arguing amongst yourselves and finally resolve who's the best out of Cummins, Powerstroke and Duramax?

Originally Posted by Thatdarncat

Yes yes yes, I know it can " tow anything" but is it safe to do so with a 25ft box at 6k+?

In all seriousness, it's that time of year. Spring time when families are planning their vacations. "Hey honey, we have a 1/2 ton truck, it has a trailer hitch, so we should buy a trailer, explore the and ride off into the sunset."

That couple/family goes shopping and finds the "perfect trailer" that the salesman said could be towed by a 1/2 ton truck no problem. It's a nice 35' bunkhouse with 3 slides, an outdoor kitchen, has a compass in the stock and a thing that tells time! The couple also remembers their truck salesman stating that if you hook up a chain to a tree in your yard and the hitch on your 1/2 ton, you'll be able to pull the entire county over the state line. So, "we can tow that trailer!"

THEN, REALITY HITS! The 1/2 ton they thought could pull anything is actually very limited and they've been victim of a smoke and mirrors sales pitch by both the truck and trailer manufacturers. They come here (or the F150forum.com or any other "source" online) looking for a bit of education and help and are met by members showing sarcasm and self-superiority based on the weight class and fuel powering their tow vehicles.

Bottom line, everyone is new at some point. I was the newbie in '17 and in '18...you guessed it....upgraded from a F150 to a F250! These forums (of all places) should be the safest/easiest place to ask and get answers for a question.

Are we not all here to try to share tribal knowledge and enjoy our travel trailers?