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Old 03-30-2019, 11:19 AM   #1
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Would you tow this.. with my truck?

Ok.. please don't lecture about what I have and don't have.. this is what I know. Not sure on payload.

I own 2013 F150 STX Extra cab.

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Tow rating: 8100 pounds.

Should I tow this:

2019 Coachmen Spirit 2758rb

Hitch Weight: 728 lb.

UVW 6134 lb.

CCC 1466 lb.

Exterior Length: 30' 11"
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Old 03-30-2019, 12:29 PM   #2
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What is the payload/ Cargo Carrying Capability of your truck that is listed on the sticker on your drivers side door?


THAT is the number that usually gets close or over limits on half ton pickups.


Add your UVW+CCC=GVWR for the trailer

6134+1466=7600 lbs.


Hitch weight unloaded is 11.8% according to manufacture (728/6138=11.8%)


So take 11.8% of GVWR

7600 x .118= 897 lbs.


That is our guess at your fully loaded Tongue weight when loaded to full GVWR. It could be more or less, depending on where you load items and their weight. Again, this is a GUESS used to see if your anywhere close.

Add 100 lbs. for your hitch, the weight of your passengers you will be taking and anything else you are going to put into the trucks cab or truck bed.

If that number exceeds your Payload/CCC number I referred to previously from your trucks door sticker, your too heavy.

***JUST OPINION****
I personally, like to be under that significantly as extra safety margin. I'll also offer the opinion that a 7000 lb. 30' trailer more than I would tow with any half ton pickup. I just traded in a 26' trailer that was 4500 lbs empty, 6000 loaded that made some trips less than enjoyable.
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Old 03-30-2019, 12:50 PM   #3
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"Would you tow this.. with my truck?"

No, I would not
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I'm guessing your truck is very similar to mine. Mine is an XLT with same cab, motor, axle and tow rating. My payload is 1720. I have the "heavy duty" tow package but the capacity is the same as yours. I pull a 2015 2906 WS. I've b en into Ga and Tn with it, but mostly Fl.

With freshwater full, it's at the limit but for Florida it's fine. Fully loaded, ready to camp including water, food and clothes I'm Ishtar at or slightly over GCWR.

If you have a good and properly set up hitch, sure.
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Old 03-30-2019, 01:19 PM   #5
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I would guess ready to go camping weights of the trailer will be 850 lbs on the tongue and 7000 lbs.
As mentioned, what's the payload of your F150?
Only a visit to a CAT scale will give you the answers you need.
I am 400lbs shy of my max payload with my unloaded trailer and truck.
With camping gear, passenger and full fuel, I will be overweght, even though I am well below my tow rating of 6300lbs.
I am giving serious thought to buying a larger truck.
Ask yourself, "I can pull it but can I carry it"?
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Old 03-30-2019, 04:52 PM   #6
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Long story.. but payload sticker is gone.
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Old 03-30-2019, 06:55 PM   #7
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You're listing dry weights for your trailer. That's red flag #1. You're listing tow capacity instead of payload for a 1/2 ton. That's red flag #2. It suggests that you're not thinking through this properly, because you're not using proper weights and ratings.

You need to start with a real trailer weight. Use 10-15% of that to figure your tongue weight, which has nothing to do with the fictional weights you have listed.

Most likely, your trailer will be in the 7,000 - 7,300 lb range. That puts your tongue weight at around 900 lbs, +/- 50 lbs.

If you lost the payload sticker, then you can either take it to the scales or estimate it. If you estimate it, you need to know a lot more about your truck. An example of a super important option for an estimation that you didn't disclose is 2WD vs 4WD. Anyway, you can do a bit of research online to estimate it.

I think an STX is probably low on options, so your payload may be in the 1,500 - 1,800 range. That means you have around 600 - 900 lbs for humans, hitches, gear, pets, anything you have in the bed (wood, bikes), and anything else.

You're probably either just barely inside the numbers or just on the outside.

For example, I camp with 3 kids and a wife. I'm around 190 fully clothed. My wife is around 140. The 3 kids are in the 125 range. That's about 700 lbs of human. So, if it were my family and your trailer, we'd have 1,600 lbs of payload before we added so much as an iPad or a piece of firewood to the mix. In reality, I have a WDH that's heavy, I do bring firewood, I sometimes bring bikes, we have a dog in the cab, and we do have some other gear. I end up in the ~1,000 range for all of my gear and humans. That's a stout load for a 1/2 ton.

Your calculations will vary.

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Short answer, I HAVE towed a trailer similar to that with a pickup having similar specs. It worked but I wasn't happy with the setup.


Driving from WA State (Seattle Area) to LaCrosse, WI was frustrating. What is just a hill to larger pickups was a HILL to me. On one or two I was afraid I'd have to be towed up to the top. Granted these were a couple of the steepest grades along I-90.

I vowed to confine my travels to flatter land and eventually bought MORE TRUCK.

There's a big difference between what can be done and what can be done while having a comfortable trip.

The numbers may work out but I doubt you'll be happy with the combination.

If you do go ahead with this a real good investment would be a gear change in the differential (both if 4x4). Even 3.56:1 would be an improvement but for towing I'd personally go with 3.73:1.
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chuck9997...

you can tow that camper with your truck...

I would make sure it had LT truck tires, new shocks and take a look at your brakes.

Do not heavily load your camper, or your truck, and you will need a WDH because of the tongue weight.

NOW, will you be happy with that setup or will you be towing in the mountains? Probably not...

but it is a starting point
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ID:	200304 I towed this trl except caliber edition with my 2014 f 150 platinum 3.5 eco boost me my wife daughter as passengers two loaded undercover tool boxes every cast iron pot the wife could find with full fresh water. No problem now I only towed twice once to east Texas and once few hours away but was very windy on way to east Texas. Towed same trl with my Tundra from West Texas to southern Oregon to Lake Tahoe and more never a problem. Maybe 1 “white knuckle “ experience crossing Pat Tillman Bridge with high wind warnings
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For posterity, it's worth noting that I have towed a smaller trailer with an F-150 (see my signature). My 2005 F-150 4WD SCrew with 3.73 gears, towing package, and 5.4L doesn't tow my ~6,800 lb trailer well at all. In fact, I can't get it up and over the 11,000' passes here. Won't do it.

Now, I know that there is a difference between a 2005 F-150 5.4L and a 2013 F-150 5.0L. However, my experience towing a trailer with a 1/2 ton isn't great and I'd not recommend it to others. I'd probably only recommend it with the 3.5L Ecoboost, which the OP doesn't have. Payload, weight ratios, wheelbase, etc. I'm going HD. Others are super happy with their 1/2 tons. So, we all have different experiences and preferences, which is good.

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Long story.. but payload sticker is gone.
Take VIN number to Ford dealer and get your payload info from them...
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Thanks for all the responses. I am the OP. I actually made a deal on that camper yesterday. Today I reconsidered. Sadly.. no camper for us right now. We will reinvestigate our options. I do not want to be overly nervous about what I'm towing. Camping should be fun.
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Thanks for all the responses. I am the OP. I actually made a deal on that camper yesterday. Today I reconsidered. Sadly.. no camper for us right now. We will reinvestigate our options. I do not want to be overly nervous about what I'm towing. Camping should be fun.
No harm in that decision at all. An alternate way of finding your payload is the next time you and the family are hanging out, pile everyone in the truck and run through a CAT scale. Gas up completely first. It'll cost you about $20 and 15 minutes and will be an adventure.

Take that number and subtract it from your GVWR (Should be like 7k lbs or something).

That will be the real number you have to work with for tongue weight and "crap in the bed" when going camping.

And tongue weight when loaded is a lot more than what they publish in the brochure. Guessing 150-200lbs more by time you add propane, clothes etc.

A lot depends on where you are towing and how far. Flat to rolling hills 50-60 miles away is completely different than "Every time we go it's a five mile climb up and back down a 7% grade in both directions with switchbacks."

Lastly, I don't think power will be your issue. Note the 3/4 ton gassers don't make that much more than the 5.0l. It'll all be what you are comfortable with. The 3.31 just means you'll be in second rather than third.
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Get online and google 2013 F-150 towing capacity and you will find the Ford brochure with the cargo capacity for your build.

You will be close on cargo capacity, don't forget to add the additional hitch weight from the additional cargo you put in the trailer, probably 120-150 lb from adding +1000 lb to the trailer. Remember you'll be having water in those tanks, not just 500 lbs or so of stuff. Don't forget the weight of the WDH, truck cap if you added one, and the people with all their stuff you stick in the truck. For towing hope you don't live in the Rockies.
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Hate to be another bubble buster, but I think that is too much camper for your truck, also. I also towed a large pull behind trailer behind an F-150. Power wasn't the issue. Stopping and the "tail wagging the dog" was the problems. Not only did tractor trailers push me around, but vans and pickups would also. Even though trailer brakes help, there is still an extra load on your truck and it will tax your brakes. Before I bought my 5th wheel camper, I bought a 2011 F-350 dually and towed the pull behind camper with it a couple of times. What a difference! With the F-150, it was always a white knuckle ride and I would be worn out after towing. With the F-350, it was like a "walk in the park".
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The numbers on your trailer are almost identical to my Catalina 263RLS. Your towing capacity is 1200 pounds less that the F150 I started out with. We used it an entire season before my wife told me she was afraid every time we got in it to travel. It was always a little shaky over 55 miles an hour, even with an Equalizer 4 point weight distribution hitch. I moved up to a F250 before last season, and have no troubles now. And the wife is much more comfortable in the truck, even at 70 miles an hour on the Turnpike. Good luck with your decision, but always put safety first when towing.
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I realize the OP already moved on from this trailer being viable, but since nobody mentioned this then I will...


I towed a trailer that was about 3 feet longer and ~1200lb heavier than that with a 1/2-ton truck for about a year. Never again. While weight is the thing people concern themselves with the most, length also needs to be considered. A relatively light, SWB truck towing a 30+ foot long trailer is not something I would recommend. Even if you're within the weight limits, those trailers get to be a handful in the wind. I had a decent WDH w/ built-in sway control as well, still wasn't pleasant.


Towing experience will vary by trailer, but really I wouldn't recommend towing more than 27-28ft with a 1/2-ton truck. That's just my recommendation, I'm sure there are a number of folks that will disagree for one reason or another but traveling should be relaxing, not stressful. I upgraded to a bigger truck for that trailer and couldn't have been happier with the results.


Hope you're able to find a trailer that checks all the boxes!
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I've got an 8528RKWS at 9,000 lbs and I've towed it for 36,981 miles coast to coast a few times and over every mountain range in the country with a 2012 Tundra. No problemo!

Yeah, I wouldn't think twice about it.
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