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Old 08-27-2015, 04:53 PM   #1
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2016 E-450 Vibration issue

For the Reps - There is an issue with the 2016 E-450 chassis causing a vibration around 60mph. What is Ford / Forest River doing to solve this issue?
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When did they find the vibration, enroute or return from the paint shop or was it being delivered? I think there is a post on another forum about a 2016 chassis Jayco with the same issue. Not sure if I can post the other forum on here so if you pm me I will send you the link if you are interested.
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:25 PM   #3
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It has been painted and it's back at the factory for final inspection. I've been online and seen the posts. I have also talked with a company that extends the chassis for motorhomes. I am told it's a major issue with all (most?) of the 2016 class C chassis. I heard Thor has been able to get some of their latest builds to pass their road tests. Just wondering if I should pass on the 2016 chassis and settle for a 2015 off the lot. I already went through one lemon law RV, and I really don't want to go through that again.
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2016 E-450 Vibration issue

Same here. Just found out today from the dealer that our 2501ts is completed but due to the vibration in the transmission, anything that Ford makes is on hold right now till further notice.

In doing a little digging online, apparently the vibration happens around 60mph, not sure how accurate that info is though 😕
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:34 PM   #5
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I was actually wondering the same thing Jim. Personally. I would have been okay with the 2015 chassis anyway.
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Old 08-27-2015, 11:40 PM   #6
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oops, should have read the first 1st post that already had stated that vibration occurs at 60mph, sorry bout that.
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Old 08-28-2015, 12:07 AM   #7
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order delayed again, taking from dealer stock

I got the same news last Monday about the vibration at 60 mph. They said our estimated order build date was pushed back. We opted for a 2016 on a 2015 chassis from dealer's stock and are picking it up soon. We weighed the pros and cons and for us it made sense to take the dealer's stock unit. Our dealer has been GREAT!
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Old 08-28-2015, 01:07 PM   #8
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Ford switched from a 5 speed to a 6 speed transmission on their 2016 chassis. Among the change a small amount of units have been effected with a vibration at high speeds. Until we get this issue resolved we are holding units at the factory. I'm sure there will be some questions after this; I'm flying and will answer them this evening when I get to my hotel. We as an entire industry are working in unison with Ford to get the issue resolved in a timely manner.
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Old 08-28-2015, 02:24 PM   #9
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Seems you have had some bad luck with RVs. May i suggest.
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I think I will buy it...it is worth $15,000 - $20,000 dollars
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Ford switched from a 5 speed to a 6 speed transmission on their 2016 chassis. Among the change a small amount of units have been effected with a vibration at high speeds. Until we get this issue resolved we are holding units at the factory. I'm sure there will be some questions after this; I'm flying and will answer them this evening when I get to my hotel. We as an entire industry are working in unison with Ford to get the issue resolved in a timely manner.
Joshua, How many is a "small amount of units" ? And would it be covered by Ford Warranty? Planning to order a 3050S/3051S in December and hope the issue is resolved by then.
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According to the Original poster in the Jayco forum, they found two problems. First, 2 of the three drive shaft sections were out of balance. Fixed, but did not help. Second, it seems that the extended chassis frame was out of line so the drive train did not line up correctly. It will be interesting to see how that works out as I assume there are not a lot of companies doing the chassis work???
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As i remember most 3rd members are not directly lined up with the trans. Ujoints can take care of this(like when a entire rear differental goes up and down) sounds like a pinion angle issue
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Is the halt of production using 2016 cut-away chassis models industry wide? Sounds like every RV manufacturer and Ford is in on the problem. What's this going to do to the fall RV shows showing next years line with such little class C inventories?
Following this with interest even though we cancelled our order and are taking from dealer stock.
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2016 E450 viberation

I figured I would add my 2cents. I am a Senior Master Ford Tech, working on all from the smallest cars to F650-750. What the average public do not realize is drive lines are designed with very specific working angles from the center line of engine/trans output shaft to the centerline of the rear diff. pinion. As you lengthen the chassis the angles change and you have to compensate buy changing driveline placement. Another factor is the driveshaft speed, when the 5 speed to 6 speed trans was used the shat speed changed. There is so much that goes into engineering than just putting it together. Take for instance not everyone knows that all rear ends has a gear whine/sing to them. It is just set up so the gear sing is in the higher rpm/mph range. I have had some rollbacks/ flat bed wrecker that I have had to change the gear ratio to speedup/slowdown the driveshaft speed to stop a viberation. I hope I did not bore you but helped with thoughts.
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Old 08-28-2015, 08:52 PM   #17
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So cotton65 what is your idea of a high speed vibration? Rear end set up correctly will not whine. JMHO of coarse
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:17 PM   #18
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There is a lot to take into consideration, the extended chassis drive line angles and gear ratio. There is equipment to test rotational viberations to get you into a general area for diag. As for the rear end question/whine. If set up properly it will be at a frequency, higher rpm so you do not hear it. Here is a example of the analyzer
DVA (Driveline Vibration Analyzer) - Advanced System

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The Eaton Advanced Vehicle Vibration Analyzer is a powerful vehicle development tool. Organizations involved in the engineering and manufacturing of vehicles, suspensions, tires, wheels or driveline components can more effectively troubleshoot end-of-line vibration issues and field complaints with the Advanced DVA’s comprehensive vibration analysis​
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Old 08-28-2015, 09:22 PM   #19
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I saw a reply about Ford warranty. If the chassis/drive line is modified in any way Ford does not have warranty it, up to the dealer working on it, we always did.
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cotton we are talking about a drive line vibration. DVA?? Take that bad boy to an old fashion experience repair shop and the boys will figure it out. DVA? Ford and F/R have not been able to fix the problem. Must not have one of things. Don't over think the issue.
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