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Old 08-02-2017, 11:16 PM   #61
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Thanks for all your input, especially Sage and Netgain. I also frequent the Rincon and Faria. I just got back from a 2 week venture through Yosemite, Crater Lake and the Redwoods. All was great except for that "loose steering" wandering issue grew tiresome. I had the airbags about 70 on the left and 50 on the right to keep it level. Front tires at 70 psi. Put as much weight up front as I could. I am making time to go to Bob's in the next few weeks. I think I do have the alignment cams already, put in at my first visit at Daniel's tire in Oxnard.

-As far as steering stabilizer, if recommended, do you all like Bilstein or Safe-t-plus? Obviously I want this problem improved but in a financially fiscal way.

-The front tires (9,000 miles on the coach) don't seem to show uneven wear. I had a car years ago that seemed to wander back and forth with "loose" steering and when I got new tires, it went away. Thought on this ppssinly contributing to my problem?

From all that I hear here, it sounds like I can expect Bob to be a straight shooter?

Thanks again,
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Got your PM. Tell Bob you want the CASTER set high if possible. AS you may already know, I replaced the shocks with Bilsteins and installed a Bilstein steering stabilizer. Still had wandering and installed a Roadmaster Reflex. Added front and read Helwig sway bars. Went back to the Bilstein steering stabilizer and it wasn't until Bob's tech found that the tie rod ends were very loose and replaced that the problem was totally solved.
So Russ, I would have Bob check your tie rod ends. If you want to try my Roadmaster Reflex steering stabilizer, send me a PM. NOTE: you must be very careful tightening the 3 bolts on the frame bracket as they strip very easy. If stripped, the front bumper has to be removed and nuts put on the bolts from inside the frame. Don't ask me how I know!
FYI:Bob does the alignment the old fashioned way and gives a 1 year warranty. I think he charges $75
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Thanks so much, I replied to your PM. I'll definitely mention the tie rod ends and the caster. Do I have to give him the recommended settings mentioned on this thread or does he (I assume) know them already? Lastly, it seems you think the tie rods were the fix - do you think the steering stabilizer plays a part in that fix also? Looks like you like the Bilstein as opposed to the Roadmaster (or Safe-T-plus(, correct?
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Old 08-03-2017, 01:41 AM   #63
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Thanks so much, I replied to your PM. I'll definitely mention the tie rod ends and the caster. Do I have to give him the recommended settings mentioned on this thread or does he (I assume) know them already? Lastly, it seems you think the tie rods were the fix - do you think the steering stabilizer plays a part in that fix also? Looks like you like the Bilstein as opposed to the Roadmaster (or Safe-T-plus(, correct?
Every add-on seemed to help a little or maybe I just thought it did. The shocks gave a smoother ride. the Bilstein Steering stabilizer gave a little more dampening of the steering. The Helwig sway bars really cut down on the roll on turns, vehicles passing and wind. The Roadmaster Relflex helped a little with the wandering. But as I mentioned the tie rods being replaced made the biggest difference for me. I can drive for 5, 10 or 15 seconds without making corrections depending on the road. Bob has my caster way up there and I can feel it want to recenter. That's why I don't have the Roadmaster Reflex on and have the Bilstein steering stabilizer. I don't want any more re-centering pressure.
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Old 08-03-2017, 04:55 AM   #64
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Russ, I have the Roadmaster Reflex plus had an alignment done here in Florida. I have put about 1500 miles on it so far and has made a world of difference. No fighting the steering in cross winds or sharp curves and dips in the road.

By the way, I am a California 3rd generation native and we used to camp at Faria every summer. It used to cost $1 a week.
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Old 08-03-2017, 09:23 AM   #65
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By the way, I am a California 3rd generation native and we used to camp at Faria every summer. It used to cost $1 a week.
GL1800Rider, gone up a little. It's now $48 a day in winter and $53 in summer for hook up sites.
We paid $31 a night at Rincon with our dog last time out, no amenities except Million Dollar view! BTW, the train hardly ever blows it's whistle anymore so you don't even notice it rolling by 100 feet away.
Where did you grow up exactly?
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GL1800Rider, gone up a little. It's now $48 a day in winter and $53 in summer for hook up sites.
We paid $31 a night at Rincon with our dog last time out, no amenities except Million Dollar view! BTW, the train hardly ever blows it's whistle anymore so you don't even notice it rolling by 100 feet away.
Where did you grow up exactly?
Drove by there yesterday to Buellton to pick up a new car for my wife.
Very nice day. Wish I had more time- I would have camped and gone to the Fair which just started in Ventura.
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Drove by there yesterday to Buellton to pick up a new car for my wife.
Very nice day. Wish I had more time- I would have camped and gone to the Fair which just started in Ventura.
Were there spots open? AS you know, they are usually gone instantly this time of the year.
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Faria is tough on the weekends. If I really want one, I try to go or send my wife out there on Thursday morning and wait till people pack up, then put up a tent. Rincon I can usually snag on Friday mornings.
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Faria is tough on the weekends. If I really want one, I try to go or send my wife out there on Thursday morning and wait till people pack up, then put up a tent. Rincon I can usually snag on Friday mornings.
Really? I have a retired co-worker who lives in Santa Paula and we try to go out there often. But not during the summer. Will wait until after Labor Day as we find it impossible to get one site let alone two next to each other. Russ, I don't recall if I've asked but where do you live?
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Went to Bob's today. Great guys, knowledge, and service. I went through everything with him and showed him my old numbers. He replaced the inner and outer tie rods and did an alignment with the caster set as high as possible (I believe +5). Matt worked on it for quite a while, drove it twice, and was very meticulous. After discussion, I also went ahead and ordered a Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer for him to install when I get it next week.

Unfortunately, I can honestly say that after all that time and money, driving it home on the highway today didn't seem to me to be much different than when I drove it there in the morning. I still had a modest amount of wandering in the lane. Matt told me that Bob did have him "loosen" the steering a bit because of the new hardware - maybe that should be reversed when I return to have the stabilizer installed. Also wondering if adding the Safe-T-Plus stabilizer, together with the work done today, might be the difference. I hope so.



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+5 is probably max on the caster.
The sprung stabilizer should help. Helped me a lot with the Chevy A arm setup.
Good luck- P/M'd you a little late- sorry.
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Went to Bob's today. Great guys, knowledge, and service. I went through everything with him and showed him my old numbers. He replaced the inner and outer tie rods and did an alignment with the caster set as high as possible (I believe +5). Matt worked on it for quite a while, drove it twice, and was very meticulous. After discussion, I also went ahead and ordered a Safe-T-Plus steering stabilizer for him to install when I get it next week.

Unfortunately, I can honestly say that after all that time and money, driving it home on the highway today didn't seem to me to be much different than when I drove it there in the morning. I still had a modest amount of wandering in the lane. Matt told me that Bob did have him "loosen" the steering a bit because of the new hardware - maybe that should be reversed when I return to have the stabilizer installed. Also wondering if adding the Safe-T-Plus stabilizer, together with the work done today, might be the difference. I hope so.

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Were your tie rods loose like mine? That must have been an expensive visit. I'm surprised it still wanders. I know you ordered the Safe-T-Plus. Might want to remind Matt about the bolts stripping for the frame bracket and not to use the air gun. Again, if the bolts do get stripped, removing the bumper allows easy access to the bolts and putting on nuts. Don't ask me how I know!
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Thanks Total Loss and Sage. Yes, the tie rods were loose and yes, it was expensive! That's why I was a little bummed that it still wanders. I'm hoping that the Safe-T-Plus will help. I was wondering, however - Matt told me that Bob had him loosen the steering (bolt 1/2 turn). Since my issue is "loose" steering, I'm curious why he did that? They told me to give them feedback when I return for the stabilizer install. I will - and probably have them re-tighten the steering.
My proposed plan when I return is to have them install the stabilizer and retighten the steering, then I want to take him out on an extended test drive onto the highway so we both can feel where we are. It's much more apparent at highway speeds.
Regarding not overtightening the bolts, Bob actually mentioned that to me so he is aware! I'll reiterate anyway. Really nice guys. Thanks for the referral.
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Russmd, what year is your MH? Not a lot to see or do around Bob's while waiting is there? Let me know if you want to chat. If. I'm not busy, I can swing by.
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White knuckle driving is not FUN!
It's AMAZING to me that with all of the complaints of WANDERING, not only on these but lower end class A's that factories do not do a better job in the BUILD vs build; ship; repair process. It's across all manufacturer lines. It seems these "cut aways" can't handle the weight and wind resistance. They sure don't have any issue cashing your checks! Ohhh, what the heck. What's a $100,000 these days??
We have looked at downsizing from the 36ft Silverback and diesel truck to a Class C and towing a vehicle Beetle convertible. NOT YET!!
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Thanks Sage but I was there yesterday, not today. I have a 2015 Forrester.
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Any thoughts about them having loosened the steering bolt 1/2 a turn?
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Any thoughts about them having loosened the steering bolt 1/2 a turn?
Not sure what the steering bolt is??? Maybe Bob did that in anticipation of the Safe T plus. Safe-T-Plus has a great deal of centering. I know that the Roadmaster Reflex has much less and the Bilstein none. But I have gotten a very comfortable ride and enough stiffness and centering with my current upgrades of the Bilstein Steering Stambilizer, Bilstein shocks, Helwig Sway bars, replacement of the tie rod ends and Bob's alignment increasing the caster.
I want to see how the tires wear.
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