Death Valley Flash Floods - all roads closed

[OldGal3]

https://www.fox5vegas.com/2022/08/05...vere-flooding/

[OldGal3]

https://www.fox5vegas.com/2022/08/08...lash-flooding/

[MR.M]

The flooding around the globe is just getting worse and worse . never before Since Noah has the flooding been so wide spread and historic in nature.

[ppine]

Who visits Death Valley in August?
The landforms in DV have little vegetation in the way. The landforms are easy to see. It is obvious to people trained in geomorphology that most of the erosion in the Park has happened due to moving water. Even in a place as dry as DV it is the periodic convective thunderstorms with high intensity and corresponding high rainfall intensity that create erosion. There is plenty of relief from faulting, and little veg to slow the runoff. The coalescing alluvial fans are enormous and dramatic with many cubic miles unsorted material. When they come together they are known as a "Bajada."

[Aussieguy]

Originally Posted by MR.M

The flooding around the globe is just getting worse and worse . never before Since Noah has the flooding been so wide spread and historic in nature.

I reckon that since Noah.. communication has improved somewhat?

maybe it seams more wet cause people can communicate.


We get more tropical storms than 100 years ago too.
OR... technology has improved and we can detect tropical storms much sooner even if they never reach anywhere close to where you live

[D W]

Originally Posted by MR.M

The flooding around the globe is just getting worse and worse . never before Since Noah has the flooding been so wide spread and historic in nature.

Flooding is nothing new. Have you ever been to Southeast Asia during Monsoon? Also, I have witnessed some hellacious downpours in the deserts of Southwest Asia. The rain is so tremendous that it often causes rivers that carve out ravines, often called wadis once the water dries up.

[Reverse_snowbird]

Originally Posted by ppine

Who visits Death Valley in August?

People with children on summer break visit Death Valley in August as do people who can't visit at other times of the year. I wouldn't visit it on a bet in August... too darned hot.

[MR.M]

Originally Posted by Aussieguy

I reckon that since Noah.. communication has improved somewhat?

maybe it seams more wet cause people can communicate.


We get more tropical storms than 100 years ago too.
OR... technology has improved and we can detect tropical storms much sooner even if they never reach anywhere close to where you live

good try but communication world wide has been going on for well over 70 or 80 yrs or more . The rains and flooding are historical in nature . A couple weeks ago parts of Missouri hit with 13" over night . I grew up there and never before saw 13" over night , never before have i seen hwy 70 closed in spots for flooding . Kentucky floods just a couple weeks ago historic , PA , so many major floods 100 yr and 500 yr floods in the last decade or less . it's not about faster communication it's clearly more flooding and at more then normal amounts . we get floods every yr but lately it's been record breaking floods and this is just here It wasn't 5 yrs ago India had historic flooding , Germany , all around the world . good try Aussie guy but it's clearly more and worse flooding .And lets not forget Yellowstone first time since i've been there the last 10 yrs . closed the whole park . when was the last time the park was closed for flooding ? in 88 it closed for fires but can't find where it ever closed for flooding . head in sand is normal for most

[simiHal]

Originally Posted by MR.M

good try but communication world wide has been going on for well over 70 or 80 yrs or more . The rains and flooding are historical in nature . A couple weeks ago parts of Missouri hit with 13" over night . I grew up there and never before saw 13" over night , never before have i seen hwy 70 closed in spots for flooding . Kentucky floods just a couple weeks ago historic , PA , so many major floods 100 yr and 500 yr floods in the last decade or less . it's not about faster communication it's clearly more flooding and at more then normal amounts . we get floods every yr but lately it's been record breaking floods and this is just here It wasn't 5 yrs ago India had historic flooding , Germany , all around the world . good try Aussie guy but it's clearly more and worse flooding .And lets not forget Yellowstone first time since i've been there the last 10 yrs . closed the whole park . when was the last time the park was closed for flooding ? in 88 it closed for fires but can't find where it ever closed for flooding . head in sand is normal for most

So basically you’re saying “historic” is your life time. Weather records are more micro-localized nowadays so we really don’t have a true historic reference to go by since history is billions of years old. Combine that with media sensationalizing sound bites to get eyeballs.

[HangDiver]

Originally Posted by MR.M

The flooding around the globe is just getting worse and worse . never before Since Noah has the flooding been so wide spread and historic in nature.

Can't believe he let two scorpions on the boat. I hate those things....

[Aussieguy]

Originally Posted by MR.M

The rains and flooding are historical in nature .

History controls the weather? I always thought mother nature had a hand in that.
99.9% of our infrastructure is designed and built to withstand being hit by a 100 year weather event ...
They know that sooner or later a larger storm will come along but they are prepared to take that RISK

If everything were built to withstand a once in 200 year storm... Price to build will be astronomical ... No building /road /railroad /factory would be allowed on a flood plain ...

There are lots of things ordinary people could do to help reduce emissions, won't cost an arm and a leg either ...

BUT big business , the media hypes and some officials are all pushing THEIR agenda for EXPENSIVE equipment.

Simple solar hot water heaters been around for 50 years.... $600.00 - $1100 but the big push is for whole house solar electric that costs $20,000.00 or more and has to maintained and / replaced every 20 years which someone has top pay for! Tax credits .... yeah right the government doesn't pay it PEOPLE DO.

Yes there is global warming .... It's nothing NEW, been happening since before Noah , Remember the Ice-age?

YES man is making global warming worse.
BUT forcing us to pay for high cost mistakes is not the solution.

[ppine]

Over time, we will probably realize that this was not a 1000 year event. Maybe not even a 100 year event.

[lbrjet]

Rainfall totaling*1.46 inches*was recorded at Furnace Creek Visitors Center on Friday, surpassing the Aug. 5 record of 1.10 inches set in 1936 but falling just short of the park's heaviest rainfall of 1.47 inches on April 15, 1988, said Brian Planz, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Las Vegas.

[ppine]

Records exist for maybe 100 years. What constitutes a 1000 year event is mostly guess work.

[BehindBars]

Originally Posted by HangDiver

Can't believe he let two scorpions on the boat. I hate those things....

Scorpions are a part of the biodiversity of nature, a nature we humans ultimately depend on, yet are destroying. It’s OK to hate them, but they probably have a purpose on the earth.

[BehindBars]

Originally Posted by ppine

Records exist for maybe 100 years. What constitutes a 1000 year event is mostly guess work.

Records may exist for 100 years, but evidence of past events are recorded in geology and plant life. For example, we have no record of dinosaurs, but evidence suggests that they once existed. Likewise we can learn of Earth’s past climate and weather events from evidence, not just records. Guesswork? Yes, but it’s educated guesswork. It’s the best we can do.

[HangDiver]

Originally Posted by ppine

Records exist for maybe 100 years. What constitutes a 1000 year event is mostly guess work.

Not guess work.... data collection where records are available with numerical modeling.

[HangDiver]

Originally Posted by BehindBars

Scorpions are a part of the biodiversity of nature, a nature we humans ultimately depend on, yet are destroying. It’s OK to hate them, but they probably have a purpose on the earth.

I agree totally. After being stung, (Oouch) I just wish they would go somewhere else... ;-)

[MR.M]

Originally Posted by simiHal

So basically you’re saying “historic” is your life time. Weather records are more micro-localized nowadays so we really don’t have a true historic reference to go by since history is billions of years old. Combine that with media sensationalizing sound bites to get eyeballs.

That's not at all what i'm saying . The Flooding speaks for it's self going back as far as records have been kept . we also went through a few ice ages per historic records but we are not talking billions of yrs ago when the earth was covered by water . We are talking about the increase of flooding and severity of flooding has increased over the last generation or two . all of which have been recorded and records show the increase .

[OldGal3]

Update: 08.18.22
Parts of Death Valley to open this Saturday. Details in article.
https://www.fox5vegas.com/2022/08/19...-major-damage/