RV News RVBusiness 2021 Top 10 RVs of the Year, plus 56 additional debuts and must-see units → ×


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-23-2020, 01:02 PM   #1
Senior Member
 
Mooney 78865's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 282
F53 engine mods.

Iím sure someone has done this, but I havenít seen anything done on later F53 chassis.
Iím thinking of doings a 5star tune, headers and intake on our 2014 378XL. There are lots of posts regarding the five star tune. I havenít seen a lot for doing the intake and exhaust upgrade as well in conjunction with the five star tune. Was hoping somebody had some real life experience they could share.
__________________
2014 Georgetown 378 XL
2016 Moto Guzzi Stelvio
2016 Lincoln MKZ "Toad"
Mooney 78865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2020, 03:18 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Iggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,882
I did the 5 Star Tune in 2018 on my 38ft 2012 Georgetown XL 378TS with 5 speed transmission.

After 17,000 miles with the tune this is my overall opinion.

1. It makes shifting a bit more solid with limited slip between gears.
This gives me a more accerated feel merging up tohighwaay speed.
Really doesnt show much of a difference in RPM and may have a little higher at 65mph.

2. It doesn't save gas as after 8 years and 77,000 miles I still get about 7 mpg.

3. I also feel the engine runs a bit quieter as it seems it is less strained on hills.


That's about all I can explain at this time.
Would I have done it if I had to. Yes just the feel of more torque and probably hp does help on long day drives up and down hills.

If you plan to buy Black Friday usually has a better price.
Also if you are past, retired military they also give you a break on the price.
I still can remove the programming and go back to Ford Factory setting any time.
Any my Ford dealer knows about it and had no issues.


That's it in a nut shell.
__________________
By All
No longer a member here.
Dec 12, 2020
Iggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2020, 08:30 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Mooney 78865's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 282
Thanks Iggy. I've read about doing the 5 star tune and it seems to generally be worth it. Just curious on the intake and exhaust in conjunction. Really haven't seen much on peoples experiences.
__________________
2014 Georgetown 378 XL
2016 Moto Guzzi Stelvio
2016 Lincoln MKZ "Toad"
Mooney 78865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2020, 08:47 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Iggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,882
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooney 78865 View Post
Thanks Iggy. I've read about doing the 5 star tune and it seems to generally be worth it. Just curious on the intake and exhaust in conjunction. Really haven't seen much on peoples experiences.
I wouldn't waste the money on the intake and exhaust. You won't make it into a racing car so save your money and just do the 5 Star Tune.
Just my opinion.
Iggy
__________________
By All
No longer a member here.
Dec 12, 2020
Iggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2020, 09:48 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Iggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,882
Just got an email from 5 Star ... See picture


https://5startuning.com/black-friday...n-email-tunes/
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Screenshot 2020-11-23 194629.jpg
Views:	35
Size:	252.0 KB
ID:	243526  
__________________
By All
No longer a member here.
Dec 12, 2020
Iggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-23-2020, 09:50 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Iggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,882
Here is your tune at a good price.

https://5startuning.com/product/7015fs/


I also just hooked my 5 Star Programmer to the internet and it just did a firmware update.
May not change the engine programming but the firmware in the programme ris updated.
Quick and easy
__________________
By All
No longer a member here.
Dec 12, 2020
Iggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 07:56 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
Dodge Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,357
Had it on my 2002 Excursion. Made a huge difference in how it performed and I gained .5 mpg.
I have been wanting it for my 2012 Georgetown ever since we bought it. The way tenfactory has it tuned sucks! Poor throttle repsonse, underpowered (as in held back by the factory programming.
I did notice that they just went on sale. I may be ordering one because of the price.
__________________
2012 Georgetown XL 350TS, Hellwig front/rear sway bars, Sumo Springs, Blue OX True Center steering damper
2013 Ford Explorer LTD toad, Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP><Tow Brake

Better to have a bad day of camping than a good day at work!
Dodge Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 10:35 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
Iggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,882
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge Guy View Post
Had it on my 2002 Excursion. Made a huge difference in how it performed and I gained .5 mpg.
I have been wanting it for my 2012 Georgetown ever since we bought it. The way tenfactory has it tuned sucks! Poor throttle repsonse, underpowered (as in held back by the factory programming.
I did notice that they just went on sale. I may be ordering one because of the price.
Yes Dodge Guy all of those things are much better in the F-53 chassis with the tune. Thanks for giving more details on the improvement.
FYI I just finished updating the X4 programmer last night and actually says a new F-53 program is available but I must uninstall from the motorhome back to Ford OEM before it can update because it says I will lose the stored old Ford OEM flash in the X4 programmer.
Have to decide if I want to go thru all that or not.
Tech support says its just for the newer model of F-53's and not specifically my 2012 version.

Anyway been in my rig for 2 years now and do like it.
Oh you can remove or change the governor max speed control on the V-10
__________________
By All
No longer a member here.
Dec 12, 2020
Iggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 04:26 PM   #9
NXR
Senior Member
 
NXR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Family room couch
Posts: 2,181
Quote:
Oh you can remove or change the governor max speed control on the V-10.
Please let us know how that works out for you...

Ray
__________________
2020 Georgetown GT5 34H5
NXR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 04:37 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Iggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,882
Quote:
Originally Posted by NXR View Post
Please let us know how that works out for you...

Ray
It actually is amazing. I feel the V10 doesn't get to its full potential until you get into the higher speed range.
On a very good highway its not hard to find yourself going 75 mph.
I don't do that often but by removing the governor limt it is much easier and quicker to pass at higway speed.

Remember I don't do that kind of speed but some interstates have a speed limit of 80 mph.
__________________
By All
No longer a member here.
Dec 12, 2020
Iggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 04:54 PM   #11
NXR
Senior Member
 
NXR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Family room couch
Posts: 2,181
Quote:
On a very good highway its not hard to find yourself going 75 mph.
I don't do that often but by removing the governor limit it is much easier and quicker to pass at highway speed.
Quote:
Remember I don't do that kind of speed but some interstates have a speed limit of 80 mph.
Maybe it's just me, but I'm thinking those two statements might be just a bit contradictory.

But you're out of warranty on the engine so press on!

Ray
__________________
2020 Georgetown GT5 34H5
NXR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 05:25 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Iggy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,882
Quote:
Originally Posted by NXR View Post
Maybe it's just me, but I'm thinking those two statements might be just a bit contradictory.

But you're out of warranty on the engine so press on!

Ray
Yup out of warranty a long time ago.
OK I roll fast to clear up any misconceptions.
I take care of my rig and it runs like when I bought it with now over 77,000 miles.
I just looked and I have done 17 oil and filter changes since new and that includes the one from Ford build.
That's one oil change every 4,500 miles of higway driving.
I am on my second set of tires just for safety reasons and just did a complete brake job last year all around.
So I'm good to roll another 75,000 miles.
__________________
By All
No longer a member here.
Dec 12, 2020
Iggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 10:22 AM   #13
Senior Member
 
Dodge Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,357
My F53 is governed at 75. It will fall on its face when trying to pass anything. Now I don’t travel at 75, but sometimes you need to get to that speed for passing. I don’t need to do 75, but it’s nice to know I can make that choice!

I forgot to add. On the air intake, I had a K&N on my Excursion. While it did make a difference at WOT it was very loud and obnoxious in the mountains or any time you were trying to merge. Since you are sitting over the engine in. Class A I don’t think you will want any type of Cold Air Intake. I just went with a drop in K&N filter in the factory box. I have one in all my vehicles.
As far as exhaust goes, unless you are doing headers, a muffler alone is only going to give you a different exhaust note!
__________________
2012 Georgetown XL 350TS, Hellwig front/rear sway bars, Sumo Springs, Blue OX True Center steering damper
2013 Ford Explorer LTD toad, Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP><Tow Brake

Better to have a bad day of camping than a good day at work!
Dodge Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 10:46 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 1,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iggy View Post
Yup out of warranty a long time ago.
OK I roll fast to clear up any misconceptions.
I take care of my rig and it runs like when I bought it with now over 77,000 miles.
I just looked and I have done 17 oil and filter changes since new and that includes the one from Ford build.
That's one oil change every 4,500 miles of higway driving.
I am on my second set of tires just for safety reasons and just did a complete brake job last year all around.
So I'm good to roll another 75,000 miles.

Just curious what the recommended oil change interval is on the 2012 Ford V10. My 2019 calls for 7500 mile oil change intervals.
__________________
2020 Sunseeker 2440DS on 2019 Ford E-450, Trekker cap, Topaz paint
BehindBars is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 12:17 PM   #15
NXR
Senior Member
 
NXR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Family room couch
Posts: 2,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge Guy View Post
My F53 is governed at 75. It will fall on its face when trying to pass anything. Now I donít travel at 75, but sometimes you need to get to that speed for passing. I donít need to do 75, but itís nice to know I can make that choice!
Since my Michelin XRV's are rated for 75 MPH maximum I'm OK with being governed at that speed.

I think Tireman9 said the maximum speed rating during testing is only achieved for ten minutes and then they throttle back and run them for another 30 minutes. And then they dispose of the tires.

https://www.michelintruck.com/tires-...info/xrv/specs

Ray
__________________
2020 Georgetown GT5 34H5
NXR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 12:18 PM   #16
NXR
Senior Member
 
NXR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Family room couch
Posts: 2,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by BehindBars View Post
Just curious what the recommended oil change interval is on the 2012 Ford V10. My 2019 calls for 7500 mile oil change intervals.
Yours is also 5,000 miles if towing anything. That's what I use.

Ray
__________________
2020 Georgetown GT5 34H5
NXR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2020, 08:57 AM   #17
Senior Member
 
Dodge Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,357
Quote:
Originally Posted by NXR View Post
Yours is also 5,000 miles if towing anything. That's what I use.

Ray
I do every 5k miles, basically once a year. I Change it right before it goes into winter storage.
__________________
2012 Georgetown XL 350TS, Hellwig front/rear sway bars, Sumo Springs, Blue OX True Center steering damper
2013 Ford Explorer LTD toad, Roadmaster Stowmaster 5000, VIP><Tow Brake

Better to have a bad day of camping than a good day at work!
Dodge Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2020, 10:30 AM   #18
Senior Member
 
Mooney 78865's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 282
I'll be doing my annual maintenance next weekend. Oil, lube, AC's. I'll be taking mine to work this weekend. I have to be the senior exec on property and I'm not to keen on staying in one of the hotel rooms when I have my own.
__________________
2014 Georgetown 378 XL
2016 Moto Guzzi Stelvio
2016 Lincoln MKZ "Toad"
Mooney 78865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2020, 10:32 AM   #19
Senior Member
 
Mooney 78865's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 282
I got ready to pull the trigger on a 5 star tuner and discovered they won't ship to the people's republic of California. Guess I'll have it shipped to a buddy out of state and have him ship it to me....
__________________
2014 Georgetown 378 XL
2016 Moto Guzzi Stelvio
2016 Lincoln MKZ "Toad"
Mooney 78865 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2020, 10:45 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 1,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by NXR View Post
Yours is also 5,000 miles if towing anything. That's what I use.

Ray
Nowhere I have found in the 2019 E-450 manual does it specify an oil change interval of 5000 miles for the V10. The Ford owners manual says for special usage (towing or cartop carrier), to go by the maintenance minder, which on the cutaway chassis that FR uses, we don’t have. So I change the oil at 7500 miles per the normal use schedule. A 5000 mile interval would seem abnormally short for a modern engine and modern oils.

This is not meant to be an oil change debate, rather I just wondered how the 2012 owners manual maintenance section was written for V10 engines, vs the 2019. The 2019 seems poorly written. I’ll look up the 2012 manual and compare.
__________________
2020 Sunseeker 2440DS on 2019 Ford E-450, Trekker cap, Topaz paint
BehindBars is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
mods

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Forest River, Inc. or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:39 AM.