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Old 03-21-2018, 03:15 PM   #21
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Propane is taboo on boats generally, because it is much heavier than air and settles right in to the lowest place in the hull and lays there until it gets a chance to blow. Gas fumes are evidently lighter or just more volatile and dissapate.

Anyway, pretty hard to run a vehicle Ferry without gasoline engines running on the boat.
Ferry has Diesel engines and exhaust outside the ferry. Rv’s are inside the enclosed cargo decks and any generators will exhaust right in the enclosed area. Typically the enclsed cargo areas do not have enough ventilation to prevent a really big bad thing from happening, choke gasp.
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Old 03-21-2018, 07:01 PM   #22
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Do the math

Figure out how many amps your fridge draws. Divide that into total amp hour capacity of your batteries and voila! Bear in mind that you probably don’t want to discharge your batteries more than 50%
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Old 03-21-2018, 09:17 PM   #23
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I have the residential fridge, and an inverter connected to two deep cycle batteries (not sure if yours is the same). I have run my fridge off the inverter for 8 or 9 hours, and the batteries were still at about 75%. You should have no problems at all.
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:43 AM   #24
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Figure out how many amps your fridge draws. Divide that into total amp hour capacity of your batteries and voila! Bear in mind that you probably don’t want to discharge your batteries more than 50%
100% wrong.

Rating in Ah is based on a 20Hr discharge rate - that is total capacity / 20 = discharge rate. Example 100Ah battery / 20 = 5 amp draw. If amount of your draw is lower than that, you will have more than 20 hrs available to use the battery bank before it is totally exhausted. But that is a misnomer too because many item will not run is the supplied power is below 12.5 Vdc and most by 12.0 Vdc. 100% discharge is 10.5Vdc and almost nothing rated at 12Vdc runs at that. On top of that batteries are not rated at real world values. Whatever it is rated at and regardless of manufacturer, use 80% of that number to start with - example 100Ah battery is really an 80 AH battery. So realistically a rated 200AH battery bank is 160 and of that 1/3 is usable between charges yielding slightly over 53 Ah available. And that is assuming the 5 amp discharge rate yielding 10 hours usable. Because it IS NOT linear, if you only double that draw to 10 amps, you may use it up in 1-2 hours, not 5 hrs.


In the image below (only shows 13 hours vs 20), the rated draw is near the bottom of the vertical axis (discharge current). As the draw increase (up the axis), the available time for discharge decreases faster and faster.

Yes, this is NOT an Opinion, it is how batteries really work. Totally unrelated to mpg, but a "similar" example - you do not go the same distance as you increase your mph in a car - mpg will decrease faster than the offsetting speed/distance will increase.
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He stated that a residential fridge without any power and with cold food in the unit will keep food for up to 3 or 4 days depending on how often the door is opened.
This was his reasoning for this statement.
I have driven for and up to 8 hours with the inverter off and no power to the residential fridge. The food was still cold and the temperature gage was still under 40F in the fridge.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I know my HOME residential refrigerator will NOT keep those kind of temps during a power outage for that length of time. Is an RV residential that much better? Don't know, but I doubt it . . .
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Old 03-23-2018, 08:55 AM   #26
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I know my HOME residential refrigerator will NOT keep those kind of temps during a power outage for that length of time. Is an RV residential that much better? Don't know, but I doubt it . . .
Same sheet of music I’m on. I suppose it could be true if ambient temperature is below 50F, but highly doubtful it could go 8 hrs at 90F+.
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I will be doing a test shortly in Florida, where the temperatures are warmer than where I am going. I plan to leave two one gallon water jugs in freezer with water frozen, and two one gallon jugs of frozen water in fridge. Will leave fridge running for couple of hours before turning off power for 8 hours. I will report finding back here when I am done.
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Getting away from all of the tech answers and back to the OP original question ....

All you are looking to do is keep your food safe, not keep refer at perfect temp 100% of the time. So if the ferry ride is only 7-8 hours, running the refer when you have the power to its coldest setting possible before the ferry ride, then change it to a reasonable temp and run it via the inverter at he beginning of the ride for as long as possible until the end of the ride or batteries eventually "die" and the insulation keeps it cool for the rest of the few hours remaining, then when you get off switch the generator or propane back on to recool the refer back to normal temps. I am sure you should be fine. Have a remote thermometer in the refer and freezer to let you know the lowest temp reached during the ride to know for sure if your food is safe to eat. Do not forget to recharge the battery bank asap.

FYI, a smaller 5-7 cuft marine refer uses 50-125Ah in a 24 hour period, depending on insulation, and outside temps. So there is no way a residential 15+cuft lasts days safely without power - on the order of x hours. Personally, I call the insurance company beyond 4-8 hrs after watching my refer temps.
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All good advise from everyone, and some technical information, so I learned a few more things from this post. I do have a temperature sensor, so I will know the lowest temperature. I don’t believe the fridge is connected to inverted power (one question I didn’t get an answer for), so using the batteries will not be an option.

Again, thanks everyone for the responses.
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All good advise from everyone, and some technical information, so I learned a few more things from this post. I do have a temperature sensor, so I will know the lowest temperature. I don’t believe the fridge is connected to inverted power (one question I didn’t get an answer for), so using the batteries will not be an option.

Again, thanks everyone for the responses.
Some are... some aren't. Seems there are different ways, for different rigs.

Plug a light into the refrigerator outlet and pull the shore plug and see if it remains on... you'll know for sure then.
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All good advise from everyone, and some technical information, so I learned a few more things from this post. I do have a temperature sensor, so I will know the lowest temperature. I don’t believe the fridge is connected to inverted power (one question I didn’t get an answer for), so using the batteries will not be an option.

Again, thanks everyone for the responses.
In your original post, you mentioned running the fridge on propane. That means you have an RV fridge that is NOT residential. It does not use a compressor. It uses absorption (evaporation) for cooling.
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Those would not typically be run through an inverter. They'd be connected to the converter's 120 circuits directly and to propane. If you don't have 120 volts, the expectation is that you'll run on propane.

But you COULD install an inverter as an accessory and run the fridge from that (and have it for other purposes on a typical basis). A 2KW inverter is inexpensive, but you'll also need some serious wire to connect it to your battery. The wire might be #0 AWG...somewhere around the diameter of a pencil or more...the inverter will specify wire size over a given distance from the battery bank.

So, again, you could do it. When running, however, your fridge is likely to consume upwards of 30 amps at 12 volts. The 120-volts watts and amps draw should be on a data panel on the fridge (probably buried on the back of the cabinet) and available in the owner's manual. Google the model number, and the specs will be available online. Once you have the amps rating at 120 volts, multiply that by 10 to get the rating at 12 volts. That's what you'll pull from the battery.

Next comes the duty cycle. How much of the time does it run vs. how much of the time the cooling unit is shut off. Depending on the duty cycle, you could drain your batteries pretty quickly, because your batteries were not sized to run a fridge. On the other hand, this situation does not really replicate running a residential fridge full time.

Let's assume your fridge, full of food already at the proper temp and with the door never opened, will run 25% of the time. And, let's say 35 amps/hour X 1/4 of 8 hours (2 hours), your fridge may suck 70 amps from the battery bank (plus inefficiencies in the inverter and parasitic losses to things like the CO/Propane detector). Let's say 75 Amp Hours total as an estimate.

It won't be continuous draw, so your battery will get to rest, and the battery bank's capacity won't be as limited as some have suggested based on continuous draw. But back to the (overly-simplified) "50% rule of thumb", if you don't have a battery bank with a combined amp-hour capacity of 150 or more, you may over-drain the batteries. A 200 amp-hour capacity might leave a bit of cushion. The good news is that most 4 x 6 volt battery banks have a far larger capacity.

My previous answer--pretty far back now--covers most of this.

All that said, I think your ice tests will give you confidence to just shut it down for the ferry ride and fire up the propane as soon as you make landfall...and all will be well. Enjoy your trip.

P.S. some of the dire predictions of the limits of batteries are not born out in reality. I routinely pull about 35 AH out of my single group 24 12 volt battery in cold weather every night. It starts with 80 AH as the maximum possible...probably more like 70. I know the drains on the battery from simple math. This battery is going on its 5th season, and it routinely gives up 15 AH through an inverter to run an electric blanket for 30 minutes, and it runs the furnace (5 amps at 12 volts) on a roughly 50% duty cycle for at least 8 hours a night (20 AH). That doesn't count parasitic losses, water pump, hot water heater and propane fridge ignition, and limited use of the lights. I just tested the battery (in storage) and it's good to go for another season. I've run this same battery for a 5 day trip (4 nights) without my solar array. It just not that complicated.
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