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06-18-2014, 02:04 PM
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Running the Solera refrigerator on 12v
I know the 6 cubic foot Dometic refrigerator in our Soleras is only two way. I wonder if the charging system on the sprinter could keep the house batteries juiced enough to run the fridge from a properly sized inverter?
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06-18-2014, 02:31 PM
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Why not run on LP?
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06-18-2014, 02:37 PM
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I keep reading conflicting opinions on the safety of driving with the fridge running on LP. I also get the impression that it's not legal in some states or locals.
I don't mind using LP while stopped.
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06-18-2014, 03:06 PM
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Have not tried this, but did a little research and thinking about it. I believe the Dometic 120 volt heater element is 325 watts: http://www.amazon.com/Dometic-120V-R...productDetails
As such, I think a 400 watt inverter should work. Also, as the heater is a simple resistive load, a "pure sine wave" inverter should not be necessary. A 400 watt inverter supplying 325 watts will likely draw ~30 amps. As the refrigerator will be "on" only when required for cooling (assuming you pre-cool on shore power or on propane) - say 25% on time - average current draw should be something like 8 amps. I would expect the chassis alternator could keep up easily.
Would likely want some method of switching between the inverter and shore power - wouldn't want that 30 amp draw off your converter when the refrigerator is cooling on shore power - that would put a big dent in your converter's 55 amp capability.
Just some thoughts on the subject -
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06-18-2014, 03:15 PM
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It easier to just run the fridge on propane during travel. That's what the vast majority of RVers do. It's legal in all states but there are some tunnels and bridges that restrict propane, especially on the east coast. Don't make your RVing experience complicated.
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06-18-2014, 03:19 PM
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Why not run on LP?
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Brian, I think it would enhance safety big time by having the ability to turn off your LP line and run the fridge on 12 V while driving. BTW that is a requirement not only in Europa, but they are using 3 way systems (220/LP/12v).
While parked 110 V/LP is fine.
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06-18-2014, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JLeising
Have not tried this, but did a little research and thinking about it. I believe the Dometic 120 volt heater element is 325 watts: Amazon.com: Dometic 120V 325W Refrigerator Heating Element: Automotive
As such, I think a 400 watt inverter should work. Also, as the heater is a simple resistive load, a "pure sine wave" inverter should not be necessary. A 400 watt inverter supplying 325 watts will likely draw ~30 amps. As the refrigerator will be "on" only when required for cooling (assuming you pre-cool on shore power or on propane) - say 25% on time - average current draw should be something like 8 amps. I would expect the chassis alternator could keep up easily.
Would likely want some method of switching between the inverter and shore power - wouldn't want that 30 amp draw off your converter when the refrigerator is cooling on shore power - that would put a big dent in your converter's 55 amp capability.
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Take the following with knowledge that I am often way wrong. :-)
I saw where it uses 3a for control and 5a for the heater. My math shows 960 watts.
Doing my rudimentary math it seems the Sprinter would need to produce a continuous 80 amps DC to provide the 8 amps the fridge claims to need on AC. By the time loss was factored in, it probably needs to be pushing 90a.
If it was in fact 325 watts, it gets much simpler.
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06-18-2014, 03:24 PM
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We used to have 3 ways systems but it never worked that well on larger fridges. I think that's why Dometic stopped.
No reason why you could't run a dedicated inverter to the fridge.
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06-18-2014, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Oakman
It easier to just run the fridge on propane during travel. That's what the vast majority of RVers do. It's legal in all states but there are some tunnels and bridges that restrict propane, especially on the east coast. Don't make your RVing experience complicated.
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X2. Just use the systems as designed and run propane until you plug in to shore power.
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06-18-2014, 04:57 PM
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"I saw where it uses 3a for control and 5a for the heater. My math shows 960 watts."
I believe the control always runs on 12 Volts - so that 3 amps is 36 watts. I ignored, as I was looking at incremental load running off an inverter vs off propane. Don't know for sure what the 120 volt heater draws - I just did a search for a replacement heater and found the one noted above. May be the wrong heater.
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06-18-2014, 05:30 PM
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It's 90 outside and the air is off, windows closed. The fridge is fully cooled and only has a bunch of freezer blocks and a pint of ice cream in it. I stuck a kill-a-watt meter inline to monitor its draw for a while. Cabin temp is in the mid 90's. This will be close to worst case typical temp maintaining energy draw. It will be interesting to see how many kwh it sucks over the next few hours. I would estimate my typical drive time to be less than 6 hours. AC would be running so cabin temp would be much cooler.
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06-18-2014, 09:52 PM
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After the first four hours it averaged 335 watts. 1.44 kwh over 4.3 hours. Overnight I'll see if it uses less when it should draw less.
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06-19-2014, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Still Kickin
X2. Just use the systems as designed and run propane until you plug in to shore power.
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06-19-2014, 09:57 AM
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Overnight it averaged 320 watts. This morning I could see the current drain at 345. When it isn't raining, I will go monitor it for an hour to see how variable it is.
I know it would be much more efficient to use LP. I am just kicking the tires at this point. I would like to know if going with an inverter would have a noticeable impact on MPG.
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06-24-2014, 05:38 AM
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Living The Dream: After the one year warranty runs out, we have plans to install a solar system. This type of info is helpful with that future project. To supplement the solar system, an additional propane tank sounds needed too, for the boondocking that we plan to in years to come. - Gary
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06-27-2014, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Still Kickin
X2. Just use the systems as designed and run propane until you plug in to shore power.
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06-27-2014, 05:58 AM
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Agree agree agree agree.
Traveled with fridge on gas in a pickup bed camper, two travel trailers and a 5th wheel over the last 15+ YEARS
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06-27-2014, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by f1100turbo
Agree agree agree agree.
Traveled with fridge on gas in a pickup bed camper, two travel trailers and a 5th wheel over the last 15+ YEARS
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Same here in 9 different vehicles since 1975.
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06-27-2014, 07:06 AM
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Traveled with LP on since 17 years with trailer, 5th wheel and 3 different motor homes. Do not like the idea....!
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06-27-2014, 07:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Loefflerh
Traveled with LP on since 17 years with trailer, 5th wheel and 3 different motor homes. Do not like the idea....!
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Then why do it if you do not like the idea?
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