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Old 08-25-2021, 10:09 PM   #41
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I smile and calmly tell such people that they are MOST cordially invited to consume feces and expire. I then turn and walk away while they figure out exactly what it is I told them to do. Such folks generally DON"T want to talk to or make demands of me after that. The key is to smile and speak in calm, sincere tones and NOT let them get under your skin as they count on you're being rattled / upset. (YES, I AM wierd).
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Old 08-26-2021, 08:29 AM   #42
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Sounds like a thread in support of boondocking.
So you end up in this personís favorite boondocking site and they start arguing with you, what do you do?
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Old 08-26-2021, 08:54 AM   #43
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So you end up in this personís favorite boondocking site and they start arguing with you, what do you do?



Walk away. It takes two to argue....
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Old 08-26-2021, 09:41 AM   #44
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Walk away. It takes two to argue....
The point is, it happens everywhere and if people give in all they are doing is enabling it.
Much less people would be inclined to try to get their way if more people stood their ground.
Giving in just encourages that kind of behavior.

Iíll never understand what people get from being miserable.
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Walk away. It takes two to argue....
Absolutely the correct thing to do and works half the time.

My luck is never that good unfortunately.

A lot will follow you.

And raise their voice even more.

And grab you by the shoulder to stop you.

So, I never turn my back on anyone.

We continue our chat.
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absolutely the correct thing to do and works half the time.

My luck is never that good unfortunately.

A lot will follow you.

And raise their voice even more.

And grab you by the shoulder to stop you.

So, i never turn my back on anyone.

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Old 08-26-2021, 11:39 AM   #47
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Your beef should be with the Park Ranger.

If in fact, your tent was on your site, the Ranger should have made that perfectly clear to the obnoxious neighbor. He let her win.

If her verbal abuse was enough to keep him from doing his duty, he should be held accountable. Their job is to enforce the rules, not give in and ask others to make concessions because of inability to enforce.

I'm sorry you had to deal with two imbeciles on your camping trip.
I agree. Furthermore, the ranger should have issued a warning to the other campers that any further transgressions or verbal abuse would lead to immediate eviction. A park ranger is, in many cases, a "peace officer," and thereby can issue citations along with evictions. This was a complete and utter failure on the part of the ranger.
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Old 08-26-2021, 12:13 PM   #48
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Suggest training for the ranger

Others who've said the ranger did a bad job are correct. You probably know the exact date and approximate time this occurred.
I suggest you send a letter to the supervisor at the park's HQ describing what you experienced and how it made you feel to have the ranger suggest you be the one responsible to solve the issue.
Then I'd suggest that the supervisor see that the ranger on duty at the time gets some training on conflict resolution that does not require the "innocent" party to resolve disputes that have clear boundaries in their favor.
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Others who've said the ranger did a bad job are correct. You probably know the exact date and approximate time this occurred.

I suggest you send a letter to the supervisor at the park's HQ describing what you experienced and how it made you feel to have the ranger suggest you be the one responsible to solve the issue.

Then I'd suggest that the supervisor see that the ranger on duty at the time gets some training on conflict resolution that does not require the "innocent" party to resolve disputes that have clear boundaries in their favor.


I donít think thatís a good idea. The ranger resolved the situation and everyone agreed to the resolution at the time of the visit. Lesson learned, time to start a new adventure.

Complaining will just create more stupid rules and regulations.
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Others who've said the ranger did a bad job are correct. You probably know the exact date and approximate time this occurred.
I suggest you send a letter to the supervisor at the park's HQ describing what you experienced and how it made you feel to have the ranger suggest you be the one responsible to solve the issue.
Then I'd suggest that the supervisor see that the ranger on duty at the time gets some training on conflict resolution that does not require the "innocent" party to resolve disputes that have clear boundaries in their favor.
I think it is a good idea.
The ranger shirked his responsibility and allowed himself to be used by the bully.
It's important for that feedback to get to superiors.
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Old 08-26-2021, 02:58 PM   #51
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No way I would have given in!
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Old 08-26-2021, 03:02 PM   #52
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I donít think thatís a good idea. The ranger resolved the situation and everyone agreed to the resolution at the time of the visit. Lesson learned, time to start a new adventure.

Complaining will just create more stupid rules and regulations.
At this point, Homebrew is right. Right or wrong at the time, the OP says, "So the ranger comes over and asks us if we could move it just to make peace with her. My husband agreed." Having agreed with the ranger at the time, it's not fair now to complain over his head, even if it would have been fine at the time.

Nobody should really second guess your real-time reaction at this point. It might have been a good idea to ask the ranger to support his request that OP, being already situated within the confines of their site, should move to accommodate a later arrival's unreasonable request. On the facts as stated, there is no possible way he can reasonably conclude that the rightful site holder should be inconvenienced. Then, on its face, it's fine to just say "no" to the ranger. However, a caveat: The ranger might have been concerned the unreasonable bully would feel justified in retaliation like the suggested tuna drippings or dog piddle, OR WORSE, and things could get seriously out of hand. A good ranger should have enforced the rules AND made sure the offenders understood they were wrong and would be watched to be sure they behaved. You just don't always get the best service every time.
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So you end up in this personís favorite boondocking site and they start arguing with you, what do you do?



Get your axe and start prepping wood for a fire.
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Old 08-26-2021, 03:55 PM   #54
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yeah, but you have a big dog...
Stella is only 80 lbs. She thinks she is 150 lbs.

Not sure what Stella has to do with the subject at hand 🤔 But
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At this point, Homebrew is right. Right or wrong at the time, the OP says, "So the ranger comes over and asks us if we could move it just to make peace with her. My husband agreed." Having agreed with the ranger at the time, it's not fair now to complain over his head, even if it would have been fine at the time.

Nobody should really second guess your real-time reaction at this point. It might have been a good idea to ask the ranger to support his request that OP, being already situated within the confines of their site, should move to accommodate a later arrival's unreasonable request. On the facts as stated, there is no possible way he can reasonably conclude that the rightful site holder should be inconvenienced. Then, on its face, it's fine to just say "no" to the ranger. However, a caveat: The ranger might have been concerned the unreasonable bully would feel justified in retaliation like the suggested tuna drippings or dog piddle, OR WORSE, and things could get seriously out of hand. A good ranger should have enforced the rules AND made sure the offenders understood they were wrong and would be watched to be sure they behaved. You just don't always get the best service every time.
Excellent overview and conclusion.
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This is modern Ameria. Everyone is pissed off. Do not provoke them. If they try to provoke you, the best thing to do is leave. I no longer camp in public campgrounds in July and August.

I like to boondock and camp in the spring, fall and winter. Rv parks are too tight except for one night here and there to fill and empty tanks.

I love all of the space in the West and take advantage of it. I avoid National Parks except in the off season. I drive around places like Sedona because they are loved to death.

I refuse to argue with people. I just leave.
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This is modern Ameria. Everyone is pissed off. Do not provoke them. If they try to provoke you, the best thing to do is leave. I no longer camp in public campgrounds in July and August.



I like to boondock and camp in the spring, fall and winter. Rv parks are too tight except for one night here and there to fill and empty tanks.



I love all of the space in the West and take advantage of it. I avoid National Parks except in the off season. I drive around places like Sedona because they are loved to death.



I refuse to argue with people. I just leave.
Bullies will continue bullying until someone stands up to them. It can be as simple as ignoring them or a sock in the nose if it goes that far.

Constantly yielding just tends to empower them. If Rangers won't help jn cases like OP's go to a Supervisor or call law enforcement.

I learned this lesson in High School and problem ended right quick. I'll just say no "supervisor" or "law enforcement" was involved.
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Calling the police on a ranger doing his/her job is not likely to end well for the caller.
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Calling the police on a ranger doing his/her job is not likely to end well for the caller.
The ranger wasn't doing his job. His solution was for the OP to acquiesce and give up part of a space he was fully entitled to and let the bully have their way. That's not the way the situation should have been handled.
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