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Old 08-30-2021, 10:43 AM   #81
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Nothing was taken from the OP. He voluntarily surrendered it. He was asked if he would and he agreed to do so.

The ranger's job was to come up with a peaceful solution to the problem. Had the OP stood his ground, the ranger might well have told the bully to pound sand and that would have been the right solution at that time. But the OP did not. Evidently, it was not his hill to die on.

But it was "taken" this time by the Ranger himself. Even asking the OP to surrender the space, under "color of authority" was in and of itself a "taking". Would you feel differently if it were a Police Officer contacting the OP? I ask because in that setting the Ranger is in fact a Peace Officer.


And it was clear from the OP's post that they were NOT pleased to not have the benefit of that which they had reserved and paid for, namely the shade afforded by the tree.


Let me guess, you enjoy and employ these type of tactics to wrest what you want from others?
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Old 08-30-2021, 10:59 AM   #82
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Standing your ground and making the bully leave. Not taking it sitting down. Not changing my behavior. The Clint Eastwood school of conflict resolution.



I felt the same way for about 60 years. Usually it was possible to talk our way of physical fights. Now it isn't. Now a lot of people want to fight and the ones that do often carry weapons. Let this be a warning. Do not provoke people. America is full of people with concealed handguns. Handguns in the truck. Handguns in the couch. ARs in the RV. Be careful.
You left out the one's on the hip in plain view. Those are usually the ones with the best manners and don't start confrontations.

You'll see lots of them out West.
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Old 08-30-2021, 11:09 AM   #83
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All this assumes the ranger didn't handle the event properly. From management's perspective, I can see where he did exactly the right thing. The situation did not escalate, one party got what they wanted and the other didn't object. A peaceful resolution.

I have to agree with this. Recreational facilities have seen a 400% plus increase in visitors in the past year and no increase in staff or physical facilities. Both the facilities and the natural resource itself have been pushed to the breaking point. Pump out facilities are failing, trails are being damaged due to excessive use and are littered with trash. This is compounded by a stressed out public that just wants to get away from restrictions. The staff in many parks are simply trying to keep their heads above water and keep visitors safe. I have watched rangers get royally chewed out because they would not rent a canoe to someone who wanted to paddle during a severe thunderstorm. It appears that after assessing the situation, the simplest solution was to ask the OP to allow the tent to stay. Had the OP said no I am sure he would have stepped in and made them remove the tent. There are dozens of posts faulting both the ranger and the OP when in fact they should both be commended for a job well done. Many of the opinions are what others would have done for their own good. The ranger and the OP did what was best for the facility as a whole.
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Old 08-30-2021, 11:26 AM   #84
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I have to agree with this. Recreational facilities have seen a 400% plus increase in visitors in the past year and no increase in staff or physical facilities. Both the facilities and the natural resource itself have been pushed to the breaking point. Pump out facilities are failing, trails are being damaged due to excessive use and are littered with trash. This is compounded by a stressed out public that just wants to get away from restrictions. The staff in many parks are simply trying to keep their heads above water and keep visitors safe. I have watched rangers get royally chewed out because they would not rent a canoe to someone who wanted to paddle during a severe thunderstorm. It appears that after assessing the situation, the simplest solution was to ask the OP to allow the tent to stay. Had the OP said no I am sure he would have stepped in and made them remove the tent. There are dozens of posts faulting both the ranger and the OP when in fact they should both be commended for a job well done. Many of the opinions are what others would have done for their own good. The ranger and the OP did what was best for the facility as a whole.

You forget Bob that the OP was NOT happy with the situation, "I had to look at that woman and that tent on my site all weekend " I emphasize the words "my site".


When you rent a house, apartment, hotel room or even a Camp Site the law gives you the "Right of Possession" for the term of that rental. It was HERS for that period of time.



I think they gave in out of fear of retaliation from the bullying neighbors. The Ranger Should NOT have even asked them to move their tent, Period. He Woosed out, and she paid the price!


This was wrong on so many levels.
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Old 08-30-2021, 11:32 AM   #85
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I think it was exactly the satisfactory resolution. Had the ranger told the bully "no", we would have had a happy camper and an angry bully. A pissed off bully is not a satisfactory resolution because you don't know how far that person will go to get their way after the ranger leaves. There's some crazy people out there.

On the other hand, asking our camper to acquiesce left the bully happy and our camper less so, but not inclined to do more than complain on an internet forum days later. A potentially violent situation was averted. That's his job. He did it well considering who he was dealing with.

To put it another way, the peaceful resolution is the satisfactory resolution.
I think you should assess the situation further... The bully should have been escorted out of the park....
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You left out the one's on the hip in plain view. Those are usually the ones with the best manners and don't start confrontations.

You'll see lots of them out West.

I do not agree at all with Open Carry without any training whatsoever. What will eventually happen is someone will use that weapon when they are not justified and that action will be used by the Anti Gunners to take the right away from everyone.


Im a former LEO, I have a concealed weapon permit, it is just that, Concealed, NOBODY knows I have it but me and my wife.


If someone else sees it it is because I am taking it out of its holster and intend to use it RIGHT THEN, in defense of myself or some one else.


If they cannot qualify for a permit they probably should not be walking around with a gun in the first place.
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I think you should assess the situation further... The bully should have been escorted out of the park....
And if the OP had told the ranger he wasnít going to budge, that would have been what the ranger should have done. Telling the bully to pound sand and then having a disgruntled bully camped next door might have turned ugly. The ranger was looking for a solution that would satisfy both parties and he found it. The ranger did not tell the OP to move. The OP said he would after being politely asked.
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We have always had good experiences with fellow campers until last weekend. We pulled in on Thursday with our camper. Friday we set up a large tent in a shady spot at the back of our large site for step daughter and family who were arriving late that night. Friday evening, a car pulls into the next site and a woman comes over and tells us to move our tent because she picked her site to put her tent under the same tree where our tent was. We told her that tree was on OUR site, not hers. We also had picked our site becauss of the shade from that tree to place our tent.
We walked back and showed her where the lot lines are and that our tent was on our space. She kept trying to intimidate us so my husband called the park ranger to tell her where the lines are, which he did. She argued with him about it! So the ranger comes over and asks us if we could move it just to make peace with her. My husband agreed and moved it in the 100 degree heat, which I did not agree with. Ended up that it was not just this one woman and a tent. Her husband came later with a huge 5th wheel, another camper on the other side of them and 2 tents. I had to look at that woman and that tent on my site all weekend I'm sure she treats everyone else in her life the same way.
How would you guys have handled this?
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Please reread the OP where the ranger and the husband came to an agreement to move the tent. It's not just one person that let this occur. This may be more of an argument between spouses and one trying to show the other they were wrong.
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