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07-25-2015, 01:37 PM
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Location: Michigan
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So sounds like a f250 or 350
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Bob & Nina's Bunkhouse
1970's Coachman Crusader 30ft TT
Add In: Sarina (18), Susan (14), and dogs Midnight & Shadow
Hitched up to a White 1999 F-150 Ext. Cab
Number of days camped in 2014-2
(4 more days reserved)
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07-25-2015, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NINA
So if we are thinking that our current ford will not cut the numbers how about the 2007 Ford F-150 5.7L Triton V8 4x4?
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I have a 2006 F150 4x4 with the 5. 4L Triton and 3.73 gears. The problem would not be the pulling power. The problem is gonna be with payload. My truck weighs in around 6000 lbs. with me in the driver's seat. Add 100 lb. 5th wheel hitch, and ~1500 lbs of hitch weight, and that is gonna put me way over the GVWR of 7200 lbs. even before I let the dog and missus ride with me.
The weight on my rear axle without anything in the bed (other then bed liner and TracRac rails) is around 2700 lbs. Putting 1600 lbs on that will bring that weight up to 4300 lbs, 450 lbs. over the rear axle rating.
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07-25-2015, 02:02 PM
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Location: Peachtree City, GA
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Yea, I agree....that looks like it would be way too heavy.
I'm no expert on the subject, but I do have a 4.6L F-150, so I can speak to its towing capabilities and performance. My TT weighs in around 5300 lbs loaded, which puts me roughly 1200 lbs under my max trailer weight and 700 lbs under my GCW.
The truck tows very well, especially on side roads where speed isn't an issue. Even on the highway it does fine. But going uphill on the highway can be a challenge.
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07-25-2015, 03:07 PM
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Location: Morgantown, WV
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Interim Solution
Nina, you indicate you want to transport this unit to a seasonal site, right? Your TV is not adequate to tow this camper so I would suggest maybe you have someone tow it to the seasonal site and buy some time to shop for a deal on a F-250 or similar truck that will meet your longer term needs. Just a thought.
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07-25-2015, 03:19 PM
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I agree, I would look at getting someone to take ot there for you. I had a 2002 ext cab, with a 4.6. We had a 6030 total weight (dry plus stuff) pull behind. When going up small hills, it sounded like the engine was going to fly out the front. We ended up needing to rebuild the transmission. Gas mileage was 5-6mpg. We quickly decided we needed more truck. We found a used F250 with a 6.4 powerstroke and have since moved up to a larger pull behind. Really, you will quickly realize that you need more truck.
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07-25-2015, 03:34 PM
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It also depends how far she is towing to the seasonal site. If it is within 50 miles or less, about any 1/2T will do it, just not for over the road travel. Best suggestion is to get someone to tow it for you and save your money for a 3/4 or 1 T.
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07-25-2015, 06:09 PM
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GVWR
Understanding Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
Knowing and understanding GVWR is important to towing because it tells you explicitly the maximum weight of passengers and cargo you can safely carry in your truck or SUV. GVWR is the total combined weight of truck, including all passengers, fuel, fluids and cargo. GVWR is constant and does not change, regardless of what you tow. It’s engineered in when the vehicle is manufactured.
Because tongue weight must be included in the GVWR, you will need to know how much weight capacity you need to have “left over” for when you hook up your trailer.
For example, if you have a 5,000-pound truck with a 6,200 pound GVWR, you can safely carry 1,200 pounds in the vehicle. If you are towing a trailer with a 300-pound tongue weight, the amount of passengers and gear you can carry decreases to 900 pounds. Simple, right?
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07-25-2015, 06:09 PM
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Location: Michigan
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Yes for the time being it will be moved once in a fee weeks across town maybe 10 miles. And again in October again less than 10 miles. We will then winterize the trailer as we are full time and plan to stay in it year round. By spring of next year i would like a tow vehicle sufficient to make the trailer road worthy so we can do some minor traveling. Won't leave southeast mi for another 3 years as my last daughter is still in high school.
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Bob & Nina's Bunkhouse
1970's Coachman Crusader 30ft TT
Add In: Sarina (18), Susan (14), and dogs Midnight & Shadow
Hitched up to a White 1999 F-150 Ext. Cab
Number of days camped in 2014-2
(4 more days reserved)
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07-25-2015, 08:27 PM
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My husband just retired in June from 33 years as the "weight police"
He said you're pretty maxed out with what you have, but if he were you he'd get the manual for the Ford you're towing with and see what it says your tow capacity is.
He had a F150 Triton 4.5 and he wouldn't haul one that heavy with it. We traded and bought a 2500 Cummins.
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07-26-2015, 08:11 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SE Mi
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Not Even Close
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Originally Posted by NINA
Been a member of this forum for quite some time. I need some help to determine if my current tow vehicle can tow my new rig. Here are the specs:
RV 2000 KZ Sportsman fiver model 2751
GVWR 7000 lbs UVW 5045
NCC 1955
Another number that says #7442
Fresh Water Carry Capacity 36 gal. total water weight 299.88 lbs.
Tow Vehicle Info:
1999 Ford F-150 ext cab xlt 4.6 Triton 355 gear ratio 2 wheel drive. Door sticker GVWR 6550.
My question is this: Can I tow with the ford? Even if just to get it to a seasonal site. .
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Dear Nina,
Greeting from SE Michigan! Sorry not even close. According to Fords 2009 towing guide https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...jTdbWQ&cad=rja page 17 as close as I can figure the GCWR for your vehicle is around 10'000lb. GCWR is truck and trailer together, GVWR is just truck. Even towing the trailer unloaded; UVW; you are exceeding the truck's stated capacity, not to mention the rear axle weight capacity. Factor in that manufacturers routinely overstate their capacities to be the biggest in that year, and you have a recipe for disaster. Now, you may well be able to move the trailer several times w/o any signs of damage. But damage you will do. Most likely to the transmission, but you could snap an axle if you hit that pothole that we have so many of. Easy fix; and inexpensive if you're just moving it a few miles twice a year; hire it out. That way you don't have the expense of paying for a bigger truck, believe me they are expensive. Not just to buy, but also to maintain. We currently to a 10'000lb TT with a F250 6L diesel, so I have a little experience there. FWIW, my own personal rule of thumb with gasoline domestic brands, you can safely tow half the state manufacturers capacity. With a diesel engine, a little more. Bear in mind that the so called heavy duty pickup trucks; even the diesel powered ones; are still just beefed up light duty trucks. HTH.
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07-26-2015, 08:52 AM
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I understand your dilemma. I went thru the same thing several years ago. The truck might be rated, but in the real world rhings are far different. You need to load the truck like your going camping and drive across a set of scales. I think you will be asrounded at how heavy it really is. Personally I would start shopping for your last truck now. Where do you see yourself RV wise in fiven years? Buy a truck now to fit that trailer.
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07-27-2015, 05:05 PM
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Read the Stickers
Got a 2011 F150 EcoBoost 3.73, 8200# package (7 lug E tires) HT (11,200), HP (2,393). Too many people don't read the stickers and believe the sales person at the truck dealer and RV dealer.
Haven't seen too many 5 lug rear axles that can pull more than 7-8,000 with a payload of 1,600 - 1,800 (look at the sticker - be sure to include the tongue weight in that figure).
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07-28-2015, 05:33 AM
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Location: Middle GA
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If you are insistent on doing it yourself, go slow, accelerate slowly, brake slowly, etc. Take your time and don't worry if you hold up traffic behind you. Just remember, each time you move it you are gambling and major repairs will cut into your larger truck piggybank.
Good luck.
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