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11-11-2021, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BigH
...in order to get that conviction what do you think will be among the contributing factors?  |
These charges are probably contributing factors.
Gonzalez-Otazo is being held at the Carson City jail on more than 20 charges including:
Felony reckless driving
No valid driver's license
Unsafe vehicle
Obstruction of justice
Failure to obey traffic light
Fail to obey traffic device
No record of duty status
Motor carrier permit required
No medical certificate
Operating a CMV without a CDL
Driver must be able to understand traffic signals
No fuel tax permit
IRO apportioned tag/reg violation
No USDOT/carrier name displayed
Inoperative/defective Brakes
Inspection repair and maintenance (2 counts)
Wheel fasteners loose and missing (2 counts)
Required brakes missing on trailer
Loose or unfastened tiedown
Damaged vehicle structures and pressure points
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11-11-2021, 12:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oxcamper
The driving without a license should be a real clue -- don't ya think?
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Not to mention "unable to understand traffic signals" and I think you know what I mean. 
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11-11-2021, 01:25 PM
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"missing brakes" might be a factor..............YA THINK!
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11-11-2021, 01:42 PM
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He figured he’d be OK, he remembered seeing that TV commercial where a Toyota Tundra was towing the space shuttle.
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11-11-2021, 01:56 PM
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Where are the anti-weight police commenters now?
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11-11-2021, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by upflying
I have to ask myself this rhetorical question, why didn't the boat owner, boat ramp operator or person paying the bill for the tow step up and say, "you can't tow a million dollar boat with that truck, you need a bigger truck"?
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There are sometimes things that people need done that they are neither equipped or qualified to do themselves which is why they hire professionals. It's quite possible that the boat owner new very little if anything about trailering heavy loads which is why they hired pros and trusted they knew what they were doing.
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11-11-2021, 02:34 PM
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A Cigarette Auroris with 5 engines is 20,000 lbs., most are a lot less. I'm guessing the weight might have been 19,000 lbs. rather than 19 tons.
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11-11-2021, 02:45 PM
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It looks like a ball hitch trailer, so if that is the trailer for that boat the 38k weight is way wrong. Seems like a situation of many things wrong with equipment and driver. Too bad he isn’t from California, they give licenses to anyone citizen or not.
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11-11-2021, 02:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bikendan
Where are the anti-weight police commenters now?
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11-11-2021, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lesptr
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Charges and convictions are different items.
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11-11-2021, 03:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by aircommuter
Charges and convictions are different items.
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Especially after all but one charge is plea bargained away, usually down to the lowest charge on the list.
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11-11-2021, 03:31 PM
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Then there are the inevitable lawsuits.
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11-11-2021, 03:38 PM
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Location: Littleton, CO
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanMike
Emergency Brake breakaway switch?
Apparently not however if equipped, battery was dead or cable was just considered an annoyance and maybe just jammed behind license plate for looks, etc. Were the trailer brakes even working? Checked before the "haul" or did the towing vehicle have a properly adjusted controller.....
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What trailer brakes???
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Gonzalez-Otazo is being held at the Carson City jail on more than 20 charges including:
Required brakes missing on trailer
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11-11-2021, 05:12 PM
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Location: On Long Island NY
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[QUOTE=Not sure where the 38K came from, 44' cigarette boat should be 10K-12K which is in RV range.[/QUOTE]
Operator could have been using one of those fancy hydraulic adjustable trailer rigs. They have many arms that support the boat, can be fully submerged and lengthened to twice their length. One of those rigs could weigh 6-10k, but I doubt 20k.
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11-11-2021, 05:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SetauketJeff
Operator could have been using one of those fancy hydraulic adjustable trailer rigs. They have many arms that support the boat, can be fully submerged and lengthened to twice their length. One of those rigs could weigh 6-10k, but I doubt 20k.
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There's a link at the bottom of the first post that includes a picture of the trailer.
Ain't too fancy...
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11-11-2021, 05:33 PM
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Sounds like we need the equipment maintenance police. No trailer brakes,loose wheels, brake fluid may have been old,absorbed moisture and boiled.
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11-11-2021, 05:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanMike
Emergency Brake breakaway switch?
Apparently not however if equipped, battery was dead or cable was just considered an annoyance and maybe just jammed behind license plate for looks, etc. Were the trailer brakes even working? Checked before the "haul" or did the towing vehicle have a properly adjusted controller.
This is a sad example of what can happen when towing a trailer and not understanding how to do it safely.
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Don't boat trailers usually have surge brakes? Electric brakes tend to get unhappy when they are submerged....
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11-11-2021, 05:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TitanMike
Especially after all but one charge is plea bargained away, usually down to the lowest charge on the list.
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If he had been in CA the Governor would just let him go anyway.
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11-11-2021, 05:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwkynuf
Don't boat trailers usually have surge brakes? Electric brakes tend to get unhappy when they are submerged....
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The surge brakes have a spring breakaway actuator. I had that on my boats. I had to convert it to electric over hydraulic because the downgrade from home to the lake would overheat them as it was always pushing on the truck keeping the surge master cylinder activated.
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11-11-2021, 06:19 PM
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Lived in Reno 3 years and have been up and down that hill numerous times. That's a looooong way down with no trailer or engine brakes. If the boat weighed 19K and the trailer 10K that comes to 29K and is probably well past the the max tow rating on that Ford F-350 DRW. I find it astonishing that he didn't have trailer brakes either. That trucking company owner is probably in a lot of trouble too, given it was his driver. Just because you "No habla" isn't an excuse.
I've seen people towing down a long, steep grade riding their brakes and not using the engine to slow everything down. It isn't pretty.
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