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Old 03-07-2012, 11:17 AM   #1
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F 150 eco boost updates

Anyone that has towed a 5th wheel with their F 150 eco boost or TT with a dry weight of 7,700 lbs (or more )...Towing it out west... or ...any other mountainous area in the U.S. or Canada .. I am thinking about a 2012 XL , Crew cab, 6 1/2 ft box , heavy duty payload pkg, 3.73 rear end, max towing pkg, work pkg, etc.....Thank you !!
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Old 03-07-2012, 12:15 PM   #2
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FWIW, I had a posting earlier requesting actual weights of a F150 ecoboost CC. From the responses it looks like the max payload (8200 lb GVWR) option would allow a loaded pin weight around 1800 to 1900 lbs.

You may also want to do some reading on the Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forum. Losts of info on the ecoboost and towing.

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FWIW, I had a posting earlier requesting actual weights of a F150 ecoboost CC. From the responses it looks like the max payload (8200 lb GVWR) option would allow a loaded pin weight around 1800 to 1900 lbs.

You may also want to do some reading on the Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forum. Losts of info on the ecoboost and towing.

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I have been using the Ford build and price web site. The truck i am talking about, would have a payload capacity of 2,700 lbs...and a towing capability of 11,300 lbs..
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I have been using the Ford build and price web site. The truck i am talking about, would have a payload capacity of 2,700 lbs...and a towing capability of 11,300 lbs..

If that payload number is correct, that is 300 more pounds than my 3/4 ton diesel. Are they putting the eco boost in a 3/4 ton or just 1/2 tons?
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If that payload number is correct, that is 300 more pounds than my 3/4 ton diesel. Are they putting the eco boost in a 3/4 ton or just 1/2 tons?
They have not paired an Ecoboost with a V8; just the V6 and just the F150 right now.
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As Dave points out, if you do some googling, you can find numerous reports of people successfully pulling 5th wheels with Eco's. Not the biggest ones of course but seemingly without issue: including mountains.
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I have been using the Ford build and price web site. The truck i am talking about, would have a payload capacity of 2,700 lbs...and a towing capability of 11,300 lbs..
Don't read too much into factory payload numbers as they're terribly inaccurate. They're based on a unoptioned truck with a 150 lb driver...not sure if it includes full fuel.

The thread I mentioned, other ecoboost owners reported their scaled weight of their truck, with passengers, gear, fuel, ready to camp. That weight subtracted from the truck's GVWR of 8200 is the actual payload you have available. I'll guarantee that calculated payload number will be a lot less than 2700 lbs.

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Don't read too much into factory payload numbers as they're terribly inaccurate. They're based on a unoptioned truck with a 150 lb driver...not sure if it includes full fuel.

The thread I mentioned, other ecoboost owners reported their scaled weight of their truck, with passengers, gear, fuel, ready to camp. That weight subtracted from the truck's GVWR of 8200 is the actual payload you have available. I'll guarantee that calculated payload number will be a lot less than 2700 lbs.

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just did a double check of the 2012 ford f 150 towing guide on line ..look under payload capacity...2,700lbs for the truck i am talking about
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Several people over on RV.net have recently purchased the same truck, 2012 HDF150 Crew cab and payloads were all in the 2150-2300 range depending on options. Forget about the 2700 number. Get your numbers from real life, not a brochure.
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Thought you might like to read this 5th wheel towing with F150- I am doing it!!!! - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans
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just did a double check of the 2012 ford f 150 towing guide on line ..look under payload capacity...2,700lbs for the truck i am talking about
It seems that the loaded weight of the truck with passengers and gas is in the neighborhood of 6200 lbs. This weight would also depend on trim level, optional equipment # of passengers, etc. The max payload option puts the truck's GVWR at 8200 lbs...8200 - 6200 is 2000 lbs of payload capacity available. Throw in a 5th wheel hitch, you're down around 1800 lbs., which is very high for a F150. The payload would be very close to that of 250/2500 series diesel powered. Of course they're rated to pull about 15,000+ lbs compared to 11,300 lbs for the F150.

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" I am thinking about a 2012 XL , Crew cab, 6 1/2 ft box , heavy duty payload pkg, 3.73 rear end, max towing pkg, work pkg, etc"
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That pretty much describes my friend's truck, but he only pulls a 28-foot KZ fifth wheel, with a dry weight of about 6600 lbs, I believe. He has no issues pulling that, and he has pulled it up some good grades.
I would imagine that extra 1000 lbs would make a bit of difference, especially in the mountains. You could handle it, but I wonder about the comfort level?
I should hook my friend's Ecobeast to my fifth just to see what it felt like. My Flagstaff is about 7700 lbs dry.
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Thanks... i have seen that ..and in fact i am doing it also but not up and down any mountains... we took I-75 most of the way to St.Augustine beach ,Fl for the winter...we have 2-3 weeks left on our "winter" vacation
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I really love the new F150 ecoboost. I think it is a game changer in the 1/2 ton truck market. I have been looking into them when I came across this forum the other day..

F150 Ecoboost Problems - Ford EcoBoost Forum

It looks like there are still some bugs to be ironed out with the engine, and Ford seems to be stumped as to whats going on with some of them. I think I will wait another year before upgrading my 2008 5.4L Screw and see if they get it all sorted out.
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I really love the new F150 ecoboost. I think it is a game changer in the 1/2 ton truck market. I have been looking into them when I came across this forum the other day..

F150 Ecoboost Problems - Ford EcoBoost Forum

It looks like there are still some bugs to be ironed out with the engine, and Ford seems to be stumped as to whats going on with some of them. I think I will wait another year before upgrading my 2008 5.4L Screw and see if they get it all sorted out.
I can comment on these I think
1) Rought 1-2 shift: There have been some TSBs to re-program and a small batch of trucks went out the door with defective (too small) clutch plates. My truck does not exhibit this problem
2)Stop Surge: Yes, my truck does the same thing. Mostly when cold when the idle is up. I believe it is the truck shifting to 1st on a stop and then you get a stronger pull.
3) Fast idle cold: Yes, my truck does the same thing. The fast idle stays on a surprisingly long time. I do find it a little annoying. Bet that won't ever go away as I bet there is a reason for it.
4) Throttle Hold: I've never experienced this.
5) Tach Bounce: I've never experienced this. Some earlier truck did this as I've seen other reports of the same thing. Not sure that it really hurts anything.

The link is to an older post, June 2011, so if you are interested, I would concentrate on newer posts. I'm not hearing/reading of many issues with 2012. Some report a small "shudder" on acceleration from a stop that is linked to the rear springs.

All in all, if you go to any truck brand forum, you will find little niggling things that people are reporting. I can say that my 2012 Eco has been absolutely flawless.
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Ya I know that post started back in June 2011 but it is still active as of yesterday and one guys is taking his in due to a new TSB the dealer just called him about.

I noticed too that most of the issues where with what seems to be early 2011 models. Not too many of the same issues with the 2012 are apparent from what I have read, however, as you attest there seem to be some minor nags that should hopefully be ironed out soon enough.

I'm not in a hurry to upgrade as my 08 F150 only has 56000 Kms (35000 miles), but I'd sure love to have the power and torque of the ecoboost, plus the Max Payload and Max Tow for my 7200lbs (loaded) trailer.
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Ya I know that post started back in June 2011 but it is still active as of yesterday and one guys is taking his in due to a new TSB the dealer just called him about.

I noticed too that most of the issues where with what seems to be early 2011 models. Not too many of the same issues with the 2012 are apparent from what I have read, however, as you attest there seem to be some minor nags that should hopefully be ironed out soon enough.

I'm not in a hurry to upgrade as my 08 F150 only has 56000 Kms (35000 miles), but I'd sure love to have the power and torque of the ecoboost, plus the Max Payload and Max Tow for my 7200lbs (loaded) trailer.
You know, as nice as the Ecoboost is, what I really appreciate the most is the 6-speed select-shift auto. I previously had a 4-speed in the '05 F150. Big difference. I believe your are sitting on a 4-speed also?

The next thought is, around 2015, there will be a totally new F150. I would expect it to be significantly lighter. There is also a second generation Ecoboost under development. So, if you can make yourself wait (and I know I couldn't!) you could get an even better truck.
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You know, as nice as the Ecoboost is, what I really appreciate the most is the 6-speed select-shift auto. I previously had a 4-speed in the '05 F150. Big difference. I believe your are sitting on a 4-speed also?

The next thought is, around 2015, there will be a totally new F150. I would expect it to be significantly lighter. There is also a second generation Ecoboost under development. So, if you can make yourself wait (and I know I couldn't!) you could get an even better truck.

Yes mine is a 4spd and really wish it was a 6 spd, but it is what it is. One thing I know is that the 5.4L is a workhorse of a motor and I should have no problems keeping her going pulling my Freedom Express 292BHDS untill the 2015's come out. If they are lighter and have an improved ecoboost engine, I can bet it'll be pulling some heavy loads for sure. Might make the 3/4 ton series (shall I dare say it?) ...obsolete
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