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Old 12-19-2017, 11:51 AM   #21
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What the heck good is "build online" if my dealer insists on speaking to
me face to face?
I had the same issue but once I went through Costco buying program, I could find dealers that were able to get me a no haggle price over the phone.

I am now trying USAA to see if I can get a better price through it.

What I am also finding is that the percent discount over sticker is better if you find one in stock which we are finding is as impossible as you are finding. We found one pretty close but it doesn't have adaptive cruise which is on my "like to have" list.
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I believe the towing mirrors are power both ways.
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Old 12-19-2017, 12:03 PM   #23
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I believe the towing mirrors are power both ways.
Nope.
I've got my dream truck printout of options and prices in my hand.
It specifically says manual extend and manual fold.

My 04 silverado has power folding mirrors and I love them!
I don't believe Chevy offer power folding on their extended RV mirrors either
but I'm not positive.
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My mistake. You have to go to the Lariat package to get power tow mirrors.
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Old 12-19-2017, 01:10 PM   #25
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If you are concerned about payload you can get the max payload option on anything under a lariat with a 501a package. Anything higher means it is not offered anymore. I believe that you will get much better payload this way to match more of these numbers. Click image for larger version

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This is just further down in the towing guide. This is from the 2016 guide though so you will want to get the newer version.

Every option you add removes from this as these are their best numbers. My platinum 3.5EB screw 4x4 shortbed 16 has 1870lbs payload if that helps you.

Outside of this the only way I have seen payload numbers is to open the door and look at the sticker. If there is a way to get this online let me know so when I shop I can find my dream truck too.

Best of luck and let us know what you learn.
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Max Towing will be 12,000. That's easy to publish because it doesn't fluctuate based on options. Max payload cannot be published because it changes based upon options. I would venture it's possible that there would be some minor variations even with identical trucks. With that being said, your payload will likely fall somewhere in the 2000-2200 range depending on how you option it.
NOT TRUE .. The Max Tow goes go down with options just like the payload does. Towing capacity for your truck is the -- Weight of the Truck subtracted from the GCWR of your truck. That 12000 pounds tow is based on a stripped down truck. Here is a basic training video....

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Dan, you might want to look at a 2014 pre-aluminum F150s.
I bought one in August, with 33k on it.
It is a CC Ecoboost XTR(the Canadian XLT) with Max Tow Package with 3.73 rear end.
Payload is 1828lbs. Tow rating is over 11,000lbs.
Front GAWR-3750lbs.
Rear GAWR-4050lbs.

I saw lots of good used Ecoboost Super Cabs that were cheaper than mine.
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You severely limit your options when going to the HD Payload version, too, btw.
He has already said he is looking an XLT trim level Scab. That is right in the middle of the HDPP model range.

The comments about 2K lb plus payloads would only be if you added the HDPP. Since you did not list it I would hazard a max payload in the 1500 - 1800 lbs range. My 2015 XLT, 2.7L Scab with 36 gallon tank and 53A tow package has a max payload of 1641 lbs. If I had the 3.5L Ecoboost I would expect a similar payload (slightly less for more engine weight) as engine size doesn't change the suspension/frame specs.

Here is a link to the 2018 F-150 Trailer Towing Guide. Keep in mind the weights are all best case and likely to lower on the vehicle you order due to options affecting the max payload.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources...e_r2_Nov27.pdf
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NOT TRUE .. The Max Tow goes go down with options just like the payload does. Towing capacity for your truck is the -- Weight of the Truck subtracted from the GCWR of your truck. That 12000 pounds tow is based on a stripped down truck. Here is a basic training video....

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You're wrong. GCVWR -truck weight is NOT what you can tow UNLESS you're truck weighs enough to exceed GCVWR before reaching the max tow number. Max towing is based upon configuration, not options. It is possible to option a truck heavily enough to not actually be able to reach the max towing number, but it isn't directly linked from the get go like payload is. For example, my truck has a max published tow rating of 13000 and a GCVWR of 18,400. My truck weighs something like 5296, meaning I wouldn't actually be able to tow 13000 and stay under GCVWR with me in the truck- I guess I could take off the spare and make it.... However, EVERY truck configured like mine will have a max tow rating of 13000, regardless of what options are on the truck. Some of them will be able to reach the full 13K and be within GCVWR and some won't. IOW, options won't change that max rating, hence the word "max". Doesn't mean you'll be able to reach that rating. It's also possible to have a truck optioned so lightly that you'd have some spare payload while towing a 13K load- doesn't mean you can exceed 13K if you have GCVWR left over. An example to prove you're wrong- Take a truck with the same configuration as mine and a GCVWR of 18400. Let's assume the truck is a stripped down version and weighs 5000 even for the sake of making the math easy. You weigh 150 and place nothing else in the truck. According to you, you could tow 18400-5150 or 13250. This isn't correct because your truck is rated to tow a max of 13K.
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He has already said he is looking an XLT trim level Scab. That is right in the middle of the HDPP model range.

The comments about 2K lb plus payloads would only be if you added the HDPP. Since you did not list it I would hazard a max payload in the 1500 - 1800 lbs range. My 2015 XLT, 2.7L Scab with 36 gallon tank and 53A tow package has a max payload of 1641 lbs. If I had the 3.5L Ecoboost I would expect a similar payload (slightly less for more engine weight) as engine size doesn't change the suspension/frame specs.

Here is a link to the 2018 F-150 Trailer Towing Guide. Keep in mind the weights are all best case and likely to lower on the vehicle you order due to options affecting the max payload.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/resources...e_r2_Nov27.pdf

You can get payload numbers north of 2K without the HDPP- some people have even posted their numbers indicating this. And just because you want XLT doesn't mean you can get the stand alone options you want. For example, you can't get the 20" wheels, which I much prefer the looks of. It is better now that you can get 18's with a 6 lug configuration, though. You used to be stuck with the butt-ugly 7 lug wheels and didn't even have aftermarket options.
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We have the F150 super crew cab, Lariat
3.5 EB
3.55 axle
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Max tow package
max tow capacity is 11,500#
payload is 1670#

Fully loaded toy hauler for the last trip to FL had me about maxed out on both the trailer GVWR and truck payload. Plenty of tow capacity left. This included (2) 250 dirt bikes, a smaller pit bike, bicycles, generator, power washer and barrel, grill, pop-up tent, 2-1/2 ton floor jack, two permanently mounted tool cabinets, additional tool box & misc. You get the jist.

Typically carry less than that depending on the mx race facilities that we are going to. Had no issues whatsoever going over the mountains on 77 in VA/NC. 8-8.5 mpg.

The more junk I have in the toy hauler garage does lighten up my tonque weight quite a bit though. So, I'm good there.

Previously had done this with a 2005 Dodge Ram 1500 Crew Cab with a hemi. This was before I really knew about tow and hauling spec's. Once I checked into it realized the payload on that Dodge was only 1310, and I was probably at least 400-500 LBS. over payload and 1,000 over on towing capacity.

I have also used the toy hauler for just camping without all the racing junk. I was averaging about 12 mpg heading up to Lake Erie.
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You're wrong. GCVWR -truck weight is NOT what you can tow UNLESS you're truck weighs enough to exceed GCVWR before reaching the max tow number. Max towing is based upon configuration, not options. It is possible to option a truck heavily enough to not actually be able to reach the max towing number, but it isn't directly linked from the get go like payload is. For example, my truck has a max published tow rating of 13000 and a GCVWR of 18,400. My truck weighs something like 5296, meaning I wouldn't actually be able to tow 13000 and stay under GCVWR with me in the truck- I guess I could take off the spare and make it.... However, EVERY truck configured like mine will have a max tow rating of 13000, regardless of what options are on the truck. Some of them will be able to reach the full 13K and be within GCVWR and some won't. IOW, options won't change that max rating, hence the word "max". Doesn't mean you'll be able to reach that rating. It's also possible to have a truck optioned so lightly that you'd have some spare payload while towing a 13K load- doesn't mean you can exceed 13K if you have GCVWR left over. An example to prove you're wrong- Take a truck with the same configuration as mine and a GCVWR of 18400. Let's assume the truck is a stripped down version and weighs 5000 even for the sake of making the math easy. You weigh 150 and place nothing else in the truck. According to you, you could tow 18400-5150 or 13250. This isn't correct because your truck is rated to tow a max of 13K.
So what you are saying is the RV Safety that has been weight RV since 1992 and put on thousands seminars (which I have been to) are wrong you are right. WATCH the video that they put out and you might learn something.

MAX COMBINE WEIGHT RATING --- SUBTRACTED--- from the READY TO CAMP TRUCK WEIGHT = MAX TOWING CAPACITY (PERIOD).

So if your high option truck weights in at 5500 pounds it would be 18400 - 5500 = 12900. Now if you weight the truck with the hitch and your wife and kids it weights in at 6250 that would leave you a Max Tow Capacity without exceeding the GCWR of 12,150 Tow Capacity. Simple math and all in the video below...

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So what you are saying is the RV Safety that has been weight RV since 1992 and put on thousands seminars (which I have been to) are wrong you are right. WATCH the video that they put out and you might learn something.

MAX COMBINE WEIGHT RATING --- SUBTRACTED--- from the READY TO CAMP TRUCK WEIGHT = MAX TOWING CAPACITY (PERIOD).

So if your high option truck weights in at 5500 pounds it would be 18400 - 5500 = 12900. Now if you weight the truck with the hitch and your wife and kids it weights in at 6250 that would leave you a Max Tow Capacity without exceeding the GCWR of 12,150 Tow Capacity. Simple math and all in the video below...

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If they are saying it the way you are interpreting it, then, yes, they CAN be wrong. In most instances this(GCVWR-loaded truck weight) will work because most of the time once you load your vehicle it will cut into the GCVWR far enough to be below the published maximum towing number for most vehicles. But this is not a rule. You seem to be intelligent enough to clearly see my example above where this "rule" you're espousing ins't accurate in all cases. The point I'm making is that (GVWR- loaded truck weight) will ALWAYS equal payload capacity. (GCVWR- loaded truck weight) does NOT ALWAYS equal max towing capacity. Hence, manufacturers can't publish a payload rating as easily as they can a max towing number. I guess they could publish it as a max payload number- they actually do tout this number with the HDPP optioned trucks- but it's WAY off from where your payload will typically be. And, as we all know, that number is much easier to exceed than the max towing number. My point is simply that it would be very difficult to give an exact(or even close in many instances) payload number and a "max" number based upon configuration only without taking into account options-just like the max tow number does- would be way high in almost all cases.
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