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Old 07-12-2023, 11:28 AM   #61
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That's cool. I'll wave at you guys waiting in line for 45 minutes to charge your car for another 45 minutes as I'm filling up my truck.
I will happily wave back, knowing I’m doing things the way I want to do them. When your truck is in the shop or in your garage getting the internal combustion engine maintenance done, I’ll wave as I drive by. Cheers!
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Old 07-12-2023, 12:12 PM   #62
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Wildcat .. toss me a beer

even though I don't really drink any more
Gotcha. I don't really drink any more either, but I don't drink any less
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Old 07-12-2023, 01:30 PM   #63
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Ummmmmmmmmmm yeah right

Gubberment and EPA's mandates aside no one is going to have to go electric
I think last quarter the Model Y was the best selling car in the world. No Ontario, no Texas, not USA, world. A lot us idiots out there, eh?
EPA does not have such a large reach.
If you are indeed aussie, yea, in your case, there is a lot to build there I would imagine, those horridly hot distances with zero relief in sight, LOL.

I think some dudes did 3 days ocean to ocean with no issues in a Model 3. About 3500 miles.

With or without EPA, the technology, the acceleration, the smoothness of the drive, it all changed the way I knew automobiles and driving.

These beers are going down fast...
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But got an Aussie passport (a real one)

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Old 07-12-2023, 02:44 PM   #65
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That's a lot of coal
Less than you think. Coal now generates less than 20% of the electricity used in US today.
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Old 07-12-2023, 03:47 PM   #66
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I rarely weigh in on EV discussions but here I go.
EVs CURRENTLY, relating to the RV world, have very limited applications.
As far as I know, they have to be fully trailered if used as a toad behind a motorhome.
Currently EV cars are limited to very small and lightweight trailers. And their range is limited due to the weight and air resistance of trailers.
Range for EV trucks have plenty of towing power but they also are limited by the trailer weight and air resistance. Plenty of testing on EV trucks towing travel trailers, has shown that this is the Achilles Heel of EV trucks.
I'm not against EV vehicles. They are perfect for those living in urban areas and do only local camping.
But since this is a RV forum, EV vehicles currently have very limited applications for usage in the RV world. The number of people who only use teardrop and very small trailers, is a mere drop in the bucket, compared to the numbers of those with motorhomes, 5th wheels, Toyhaulers and TTs larger than 15ft and drive long distances for camping.
I believe a lot of the backlash towards EVs, is the fear that it could possibly end RVing as we know it, in the very near future because of the move towards banning ICE vehicles soon.


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I rarely weigh in on EV discussions but here I go.
EVs CURRENTLY, relating to the RV world, have very limited applications.
As far as I know, they have to be fully trailered if used as a toad behind a motorhome.
Currently EV cars are limited to very small and lightweight trailers. And their range is limited due to the weight and air resistance of trailers.
Range for EV trucks have plenty of towing power but they also are limited by the trailer weight and air resistance. Plenty of testing on EV trucks towing travel trailers, has shown that this is the Achilles Heel of EV trucks.
I'm not against EV vehicles. They are perfect for those living in urban areas and do only local camping.
But since this is a RV forum, EV vehicles currently have very limited applications for usage in the RV world. The number of people who only use teardrop and very small trailers, is a mere drop in the bucket, compared to the numbers of those with motorhomes, 5th wheels, Toyhaulers and TTs larger than 15ft and drive long distances for camping.
I believe a lot of the backlash towards EVs, is the fear that it could possibly end RVing as we know it, in the very near future because of the move towards banning ICE vehicles soon.


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Old 07-12-2023, 05:26 PM   #68
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GM built a humongous EV because … stupid ? It’s called Hummer for a reason.
It’s the most inefficient EV, over 9000lb and it’s a total waste of resources.
They could’ve built 4 Bolts out of that. It costs an arm and a leg. They have zero charging network.
This tells you how behind GM really is in thinking and planning. Even with the 12 Hummer they build a month.

Nonetheless, this is not to debate what the EV market is out there, regardless of the brand. It’s about the fact it started to slowly take shape and people are switching here and there. And for some folks, it works.
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I am retired from GM and 100% agree that the Hummer is a dumb vehicle from any logical perspective. It is also a high profit vehicle because people are willing to pay $$$$ for large inconvenient EVs. The 2020-2023 EV market was luxury and speed, economy EVs didn’t sell well.
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This guy from Canada would probably disagree with the whole EV being cheaper to operate than an ICE vehicle.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...m-modern-times
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Old 08-11-2023, 06:24 AM   #70
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This guy from Canada would probably disagree with the whole EV being cheaper to operate than an ICE vehicle.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...m-modern-times
What I got from the article is that “this guy” is an idiot. I don’t see anywhere that the truck failed to operate or deliver as designed. The only thing reported broken on it was brought on by a crash. The rest of the grief comes from the owner failing to do his research and planning. This article tells a whole lot more about the truck owner than it does about the truck.

The article tells the story of a man that should have better educated himself before making an EV purchase. However, it’s probably a great article for EV haters to distribute.
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Old 08-11-2023, 06:33 AM   #71
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This guy from Canada would probably disagree with the whole EV being cheaper to operate than an ICE vehicle.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...m-modern-times
And 10.000$ for 2 chargers ? I don’t get it. Even with a panel upgrade…anyway. My nema 14-50 was 650$ with $100 township inspection.
As for the chargers being broken and all, ah, the joys of non Tesla superchargers. No wonder Ford, GM many others joined the NACS (Tesla port)
My Model Y is about 20-25 min from 10%-15% to 80%. Maybe 30-35 min to 90%. As for the cost, the Model Y would be around a hybrid Corolla.
With that being said, he seems the kinda guy to complain that a V8 coyote has bad fuel economy at 75mph.

Note: by fall, gas is back up to 8$/gal. Happy motoring with an F150
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Old 08-11-2023, 06:44 AM   #72
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And 10.000$ for 2 chargers ? I don’t get it. Even with a panel upgrade…anyway. My nema 14-50 was 650$ with $100 township inspection.
As for the chargers being broken and all, ah, the joys of non Tesla superchargers. No wonder Ford, GM many others joined the NACS (Tesla port)
My Model Y is about 20-25 min from 10%-15% to 80%. Maybe 30-35 min to 90%. As for the cost, the Model Y would be around a hybrid Corolla.
With that being said, he seems the kinda guy to complain that a V8 coyote has bad fuel economy at 75mph.

Note: by fall, gas is back up to 8$/gal. Happy motoring with an F150
Yes, $10,000, even Canadian, is sky high for two “chargers”. My installation of two NEMA 14-50 outlets, one in each building, cost me under $500 (US) total, and that high cost is due to the price of copper wire these days.

If the guy in the article willingly spent $10,000 for charging infrastructure, that could/should all have been known about before the EV purchase. I have no sympathy.
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Old 08-11-2023, 08:29 AM   #73
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We should agree to disagree on EVs in their current form. Remember that their were electric vehicles in the infancy of the automobile. There has been a lot of technology and development since. Yet, there is a long way to go.

Early, really early, EVs ran on lead acid batteries, had limited range and not much need for infrastructure. An outlet and a battery charger sufficed. No need for speed, still light weight, and it got the owners moving. Kind of like a Minn Kota trolling motor on a boat today.

EV development has come a long way-and it has a long way to go. Or maybe go the way of the GM 350 diesel of the late 1970s.

So here we have the yea sayers and nay sayers of today. Buyers of EVs are buying new technology. But what about 3 years or say 5 years from now? Battery replacement, battery disposal, vehicle resale, vehicle disposal. Are collision damaged EVs even repairable and ,if so, what cost? First responders require training, but what about good samaritans on the scene first? And recently the NTSA is looking at the weight factor in crashes.

So, we have a lot going on here that this post has and has not addressed. Get out the popcorn.
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Nothing worse for the environment than all the damage and pollution done just mining for the battery components...
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Old 08-11-2023, 09:19 AM   #75
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Nothing worse for the environment than all the damage and pollution done just mining for the battery components...
I assume that is an opinion. I agree that the lithium mining is bad, along with smelting iron ore, mining copper, making aluminum, rubber, and plastic, and everything else that goes into vehicle manufacturing. I would not agree that there is nothing worse. Continuing to release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, in my opinion, is probably highest among the worse. Transportation infrastructure in general, including even the making of cement for concrete, is all bad for our environment, very bad. The sorry state we are in now strongly suggests that even prior to modern battery manufacturing, we’ve already done a huge amount of environmental damage.
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Old 08-11-2023, 09:24 AM   #76
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You can assume, or you can do some research.
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Old 08-11-2023, 09:34 AM   #77
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You can assume, or you can do some research.
Perhaps you could share more details what your research revealed, and how compared to other industries and activities, there is factually nothing worse than mining for battery components. Seriously, I’d be very interested in the subject.
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with all this hoopla about Co2
have not found any good scientific reports / study that actually shows evidence of Co2 effects on warming


please enlighten me
where are these factual reports located...
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*yawn* Another looping thread.....
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*yawn* Another looping thread.....
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