Internet Verizon Unlimited Data

[lsauer1]

The $45 per line for unlimited is not all the costs. We pay $177 now for two phones with unlimited talk, text and 6.5GB, a tablet and a hotspot. By the timr he added up the new plan, it was almost $100 more. You should probably get a quote and compare to your current plan. You might come out better. Be sure and ask for the veterans discount. It's about 18%. I have the Hallmark Cards discount, which is 20%.

[Oggie]

I find it funny I had a true unlimited data plan from verizon probably 15 years ago then they done away with it around 7 years ago and tried for years to get me off the plan because I didn't use that much data averaging less than 2 gigs a month. Finally about 4 months ago i gave in and upgraded from a Iphone 4 to a Iphone SE and went to there 8 gigs a month plan since that time my data usage has mysteriously increased to average 5 gigs of data a month and i use it exactly the same as my old Iphone 4. Now they bring the unlimited plan back and everyone acts like it is a new idea.

[danjoan]

Personally, I don't trust Verizon enough to go auto-pay, plus I loose my 18% discount though my employer (the small print says it will not apply to the new plan), so in the end it would cost me $110 more. Verizon is not trying to help us out-- they are trying to get all they can from us.

I DON"T TRUST THEM!!!!!!

[Oaklevel]

Originally Posted by Oggie

I find it funny I had a true unlimited data plan from verizon probably 15 years ago then they done away with it around 7 years ago and tried for years to get me off the plan because I didn't use that much data averaging less than 2 gigs a month. Finally about 4 months ago i gave in and upgraded from a Iphone 4 to a Iphone SE and went to there 8 gigs a month plan since that time my data usage has mysteriously increased to average 5 gigs of data a month and i use it exactly the same as my old Iphone 4. Now they bring the unlimited plan back and everyone acts like it is a new idea.

We were similar with Verizon had unlimited data and they talked us out of it saying we only used 2 gigs we could lower our cost without unlimited ............. we fell for it our usage mysteriously went up now we are using more doing the same things and always close to or over our limit but............. when we checked on adding back unlimited data the cost went up greatly and it was cheaper just to pay the occasional overage fee......... $225 is already too much and that is with a group work discount.

[BamaBob]

Originally Posted by gectisme

If they cap the 4g at 10gb and slow it to 3g, insn't that throttling?

No because they are not capping data which is unlimited and "Managed" at 22GB

The 10GB Cap is on tethering - in other words, turning your device into a hot spot

[BamaBob]

Originally Posted by lsauer1

The $45 per line for unlimited is not all the costs. We pay $177 now for two phones with unlimited talk, text and 6.5GB, a tablet and a hotspot. By the timr he added up the new plan, it was almost $100 more. You should probably get a quote and compare to your current plan. You might come out better. Be sure and ask for the veterans discount. It's about 18%. I have the Hallmark Cards discount, which is 20%.

All I can say is OUCH! We get the veteran's discount, have the XL plan (20GB Data), 4 phones and a iPad - our XL Bill is $172.72

As I see the Verizon Unlimited plan:
2 Phones: $70/each - $140 (Unlimited talk/text in US & Canada/Mexico)
1 tablet: $20
1 HotSpot: $20
$140 + $20 +$20 = $180 - 20% Hallmark Discount = $144.00 (plus all that crap taxes and fees) So let's call that $30.00 = $174.00

You are still $3.00 under your current plan

Each Device has 10GB "HotSpot" 4GLTE- so 40GB of hotspot data
Each Device has 22GB 4GLTE - so 88GB of "Un-Managed" data
(Note: Each device is limited to 500MB of Cellular data daily in Canada/Mexico)

So, that is 1.28TB of data versus the 26GB of data on your current plan (I assumed each device had 6.5GB of data).

I still don't see where the UDP is more expensive. What am I missing?

[BamaBob]

Originally Posted by Oaklevel

We were similar with Verizon had unlimited data and they talked us out of it saying we only used 2 gigs we could lower our cost without unlimited ............. we fell for it our usage mysteriously went up now we are using more doing the same things and always close to or over our limit but............. when we checked on adding back unlimited data the cost went up greatly and it was cheaper just to pay the occasional overage fee......... $225 is already too much and that is with a group work discount.

See my email to Lsauer1 - 2 phones, UDP is $140/month before taxes and without a group work discount.

NOW having said all of this - DO take a look at my earlier post - I still think T-Mobile is going to force Verizon to drop all the fees and taxes and go flat rate. It will probably happen by August this year because Verizon is bleeding out customers as they go to T-Mobile.

[BamaBob]

Originally Posted by danjoan

Personally, I don't trust Verizon enough to go auto-pay, plus I loose my 18% discount though my employer (the small print says it will not apply to the new plan), so in the end it would cost me $110 more. Verizon is not trying to help us out-- they are trying to get all they can from us.

I DON"T TRUST THEM!!!!!!

Can you link me to the fine print? This could make a difference but I am not sure how much.

[spock123]

I have auto bill with all my accounts, I pay no bills with a check. I wrote my first check today, looked at my checkbook today and it's been more than six months since I wrote my last check

[gectisme]

Originally Posted by BamaBob

As I see the Verizon Unlimited plan:
2 Phones: $70/each - $140 (Unlimited talk/text in US & Canada/Mexico)
1 tablet: $20
1 HotSpot: $20
$140 + $20 +$20 = $180 - 20% Hallmark Discount = $144.00 (plus all that crap taxes and fees) So let's call that $30.00 = $174.00

You are still $3.00 under your current plan

Your missing the $20 per phone access fee. So the 2 phones are actually $180.

Also, still don't see why capping the the 4g hotspot data at 10gb and lowering the speed to 3g isn't throttling... Maybe just semantics.

[lsauer1]

Don't know. We're happy with what we have. He explained it all, but you know these senior memories. Maybe I'll go in and have him put it on paper.

[325BH]

Originally Posted by BamaBob

Throttling is illegal (per FCC) they can't do that anymore.



Reread my post about Network Management - that carriers can do.

Well, they do. If you use over a certain amount, they throttle your speed down. It is right in there agreement.

[Witch Doctor]

Originally Posted by 325BH

Well, they do. If you use over a certain amount, they throttle your speed down. It is right in there agreement.

this is true but remember you get 10 gigs for each device per there agreement. so you can use your jetpack and phone and really get 20 gigs before they reduce you to 3g. Another way is to get a extra sim card and line, change the sim card out at 10 gigs and and you get 10 more, at that point you are only charged for another line. I read that on CNET. Where these prices are coming from on here I don't know I know with my smartphone, tablet and jetpac my bill went down. I get a military discount only. If it is true that they will give you 10 gigs for each line as it says in print, then I went from 6gigs shared plan to 30 gigs, and like i said my plan dropped about 10.00 a month. We will see, I can always switch back that what is good about Verizon, and do still think they have the best coverage. If I could post estimated bill that they sent me I would, but all three devices are listed to the plan...

[Mr Havercamp]

We have 23 phones and 23 aircards for laptops and tablets all with true unlimited data through AT&T at present. The yearly cost is only around $25K LOL.

You don't even want to know what the yearly cost was for that same deal from Verizon which is why we switched.

Granted that's a negotiated business account which is night and day different from consumer accounts.

All these companies are legalized crooks just like insurance companies. It's all in the fine print and there is no free lunch. We already have seen our corporate AT&T rate slowly creep up over the last few years and it's all in the verbiage. Eventually we will renegotiate with Verizon I am sure. We switch every 4 or 5 years.

[timfromma]

The Mrs andI just signed up last night. I was on a grandfathered unlimited plan previously. We both now have unlimited data, free tethering and upgraded phones while reducing our overall bill by $10 per month. They do not throttle phone data but will de-prioritize you on a crowded tower once you hit 26GB of data in a month. They will throttle hotspot data after 10GB per month. We effectively have 20GB of unthrottled hotspot use between our 2 phones.

[BamaBob]

Originally Posted by 325BH

Well, they do. If you use over a certain amount, they throttle your speed down. It is right in there agreement.

We are arguing semantics - sorta - but there is a important distinction you need to understand.

There is a HUGE difference between "Network Management" of on-device data usage and tethering. When you set up a mobile hotspot (tethering) you can connect up to - say 5 other devices to that 1 high-speed internet connection.

This means every device on the HotSpot will access 4GLTE - at least until the 10GB data is gone; then you revert to 3G.

As long as you are using the data on your device you are never throttled - only the possibility of Network Management.

Hope this helps.

[banda]

Originally Posted by timfromma

but will de-prioritize you on a crowded tower

What does this mean, exactly? (What effect does it have?)

[aceinspp]

Well reason I have a phone is in case something happens and I need it. Other than that they can keep all the stuff they want to offer you and just keep getting more and more money out of ya. BTW I'm not important. Kind of like cable just keep adding and charging more and you have no options except to drop the service. Not into there direct pay either. If everyone was like me all these companies would go broke Later RJD

[BamaBob]

Originally Posted by lsauer1

Don't know. We're happy with what we have. He explained it all, but you know these senior memories. Maybe I'll go in and have him put it on paper.

Originally Posted by gectisme

Your missing the $20 per phone access fee. So the 2 phones are actually $180.

Also, still don't see why capping the the 4g hotspot data at 10gb and lowering the speed to 3g isn't throttling... Maybe just semantics.

*GRIN* I is just semantics - sorta - see my other post.

However, you are misreading your own post of the Verizon Graphic - take a look at it again:

the 1 line breakdown goes like this:
$65 account access fee - $5 auto-pay discount = $60 + $20 line access fee = $80 a month.

For multiple lines (2-4) it goes like this:
$110/month - $10 auto-pay = $100/month + $20 line access fee per phone. So:
2 phones = $100 + $20 + $20 =$140 ($70/Phone)
3 Phones = $100 + $20 + $20 + $20 = $160 ($54/phone (rounded up)
4 phones = $100 + $20 + $20 + $20 + $20 = $180 ($45/Phone)

Now NONE of the above includes Taxes and other fees

(Yeah, my head hurts too)

Which brings me to the point I made earlier: Why the (*&%^! does Verizon have to obfuscate?! This is a great example of why I hope the next thing T-Mobile can force on the industry is flat rate fees.

When T-Mobile says it costs $XX per line that is IT. No additional fees (see chart below)

I would switch to T-Mobile in a NY minute if their coverage was as robust as Verizon -- maybe that will happen by the end of 2017


(BTW, if you fly a lot, the GoGo feature on T-Mobile is not bad! 1 "free" hour of data and unlimited TXTing is a nice touch [Me: Honey, flight is delayed, we will not be landing for another 25 min; DW: thanks for the update!]

[timfromma]

Originally Posted by banda

What does this mean, exactly? (What effect does it have?)

If you are on tower that's at full capacity, they will give priority to the people who have not reached the 26GB data threshold.