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Old 10-01-2010, 09:27 PM   #1
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Most Recent Trip, A disgusting development!

So we just got back from a short 2 night trip in which my son and I went bass fishing on the warm side of the state. We stayed at a beautiful state campground overlooking the Columbia River/Wanapum lake. While there a middle aged couple drove in a took a spot on the other side of the loop from us but well within view of our campsite. There are usually lots of campers at this park as it is really nice and this was no exception. Well these folks were trashed! I mean the guy was stumbling around drunk. They had no tent that we could see and didn't know what they were doing there but they had paid the camping fee. We watched as this guy stumbled around and then proceeded to whip out his junk and urinate right out in the open! He proceeded to do this at least 3 times in about an hour and in full view of the family camping next to them who had a young special needs daughter!

Now, myself and one of the women from that camp coincidentally walked to the ranger office at the same time to lodge the same complaint, this guy needs to go, or at least go in the provided bathrooms! The ranger stopped in and had a talk to them that it was unacceptable and then came to talk to me. He told me he had to go but that he had called county and state police and would I tell them what was going on when they arrived?

I did so and the police went to have a talk with this pair. After the police left another camper I had been talking fishing with earlier came over to our site and told me he had a police scanner and had caught the conversation with the officers and dispatch when they ran the names of these two. Turned out both were wanted on warrants for alcohol related felony charges out of other counties but because they were "Non-extraditable" the cops would not arrest them!

Not only were these trash peeing in public but they were wanted and worse yet they would not be arrested!!! WHAT!!!! Is this what it means to "Serve and Protect"? What the *&^%^%$ are my tax dollars going for? It seems our police here are hell bent on pulling over drivers for 10mph over the speed limit but come across two wanted felons and they wont arrest them? I was outraged! About a half hour after the cops left this inebriated couple must have thought better about staying and hit the road, DRUNK!!!!! No doubt to drive to the scene of the accident! I can only hope that they didn't end up hurting or killing someone innocent after they left.

I was disgusted at the public peeing but more disgusted and outraged that these two weren't hauled off to jail. No wonder crime is rampant!

Here in Washington state it seems the police are more interested in collecting revenue than protecting us from the real criminals.
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Old 10-01-2010, 09:46 PM   #2
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Hell of a story.

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Old 10-01-2010, 10:14 PM   #3
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" It seems our police here are hell bent on pulling over drivers for 10mph over the speed limit but come across two wanted felons and they wont arrest them?"

The answer is very simple. They make money when you're ticketed for going over the speed limit. If they arrest 2 drunks that are wanted out of their jurisdiction it costs them money to take them to jail and then extradite them. The system is designed to make money for the courts and attorneys.

When I was a kid the cops mainly directed traffic and supervised school crossings. Now they're basically revenue agents with Tasers.
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You can't blame the officers at the campground. Blame the original jurisdiction; they're the ones who set the "pick-up radius," which is what controls extradition. And it really is a money thing. It costs money for the original jurisdiction to come after the bad guys, and they have to weigh the cost versus the original offense.

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Old 10-01-2010, 10:52 PM   #5
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Why didn't you file a formal complaint? The cops would have had to take them to the station, no?
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Old 10-01-2010, 11:59 PM   #6
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Why didn't you file a formal complaint? The cops would have had to take them to the station, no?
No they don't. A complaint is not necessary they can be taken in for "public intoxication" but they opted obviously not to do so. Therefore they drove out of the place drunk maybe to mame or kill someone down the road. As long as they keep moving from county to county they will never end up back in jail where they belong because of crappy legal system that is more concerned about money than public safety.
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Old 10-02-2010, 12:00 AM   #7
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You can't blame the officers at the campground. Blame the original jurisdiction; they're the ones who set the "pick-up radius," which is what controls extradition. And it really is a money thing. It costs money for the original jurisdiction to come after the bad guys, and they have to weigh the cost versus the original offense.

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I'm blaming the entire broken pice of crap system that allows things like this to happen. I pay taxes to be protected from these low lifes not the guy going 10mph over the speed limit! I don't give a rip where they are wanted if they are wanted they should be picked up! You can damm well bet if someone like this T-bones me and are drunk and I find out they were wanted on warrants and not arrested there will be a huge lawsuit involved with the state of Washington! They ought to use a little of that revenue they get for pidddly ***** infractions and buy a little gas and drive their buts 3 hours to get these pieces of crap off our streets.

Sorry for the rant but this kind of "cop out" if you will is sickening to me. This is purely a case of "as long as they aren't in our jurisdiction it isn't our problem" What a pantload!!!!
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It's not of much use now, but IMO you should have called the cops again once they hit the road. They absolutely would have been pulled over at that point. Dial 911 or direct to the state patrol.
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I agree with you, Jeeper. With what you saw, I am having second thoughts about why I worry so much about having a civilized glass of wine before dinner in the state campgounds here, which prohibit even the possession of alchol. Even in private campgrounds, we try to enjoy our drinks discreetly because we just don't want to bother other people. If people don't want to drink or don't want to even see it, we can respect that. The guys you saw should have at the very least been kicked out of the campground and, with the other information known about them, should have been arrested.
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"IMO you should have called the cops again once they hit the road. They absolutely would have been pulled over at that point. Dial 911 or direct to the state patrol."

Mr. Black, that is actually a very good suggestion. A few years back I was travelling towards Seattle and saw two vehicles weaving in and out of traffic, slamming on their brakes in the middle of 70 mph traffic, and otherwise being complete aholes. I got the licence number from one, and phoned the state troopers with that and a description. Maybe 20 miles down the road, two state patrol cars had them pulled over and the jerks were spreadeagled with their hands on the truck of their car. It does pay to call the troopers. County cops are another matter.
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I've called the cops twice. Once the guy hadn't been drinking but was fatigued. The other episode, the guy could barely walk (I was following the guy until the cops passed me & pulled him over). They got him back to the cruiser & he stumbled along.
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I recently(3 months ago) followed a driver who was hogging the road, driving erratically. She was veering into other lanes and others had to take to shoulder to avoid a coalition. A few time, she was diving 70 on the shoulder, almost hitting a couple bridge railings. I followed her called and State Police. Twenty minutes later, with her still running others off the road and NO State Police, I then called our local law enforcement who reacted swiftly. When she stopped at a Starbucks, driving over the curb; and two shrubs, I guess to get something to try and sober up, she was surrounded by 4 cruises. I, and another driver stayed to give our statements.
I have to say, our local Law Enforcement Officer are on top of things.

Last month I was served a summons to testify as a witness to her actions. So was the other guy who gave his statement. We'll be in court later this month to make sure she gets what's coming to her(if she shows up at all).

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Another example of our sysytem:

November '08, may Daughter was hit head on by an intoxicated driver. Hit & Run. Thank God my Daughter wasn't hurt too bad. They were traveling very slow, as it was a congested area. Witnesses called the Law and followed the guy to a side street about a mile away. When State Police brought him back to the scene, he didn't realize he had been in an accident at all. There were beer cans, open and un-opened, that was thrown from his truck, in the street where the accident happened.
No drivers license. No insurance. No tags. No nothing.

Daughter's car was totaled. Had to buy another car out of pocket.
She's been to court 4 times in the last two years for this and nothing yet has been done to this guy. He either doesn't show up for court or his Lawyer states he didn't have enough time to review the case. Meanwhile, my Daughter has missed four days of work or school while this guy is most likely on the road again.


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You can't blame the officers at the campground. Blame the original jurisdiction; they're the ones who set the "pick-up radius," which is what controls extradition. And it really is a money thing. It costs money for the original jurisdiction to come after the bad guys, and they have to weigh the cost versus the original offense.

(I'm an ex-cop.)
I have to agree with Bob, being from a Cop family ( me being the only one that didnt become a Cop ( Marines/PostalWorker)) its the our elected offices who make the Laws.. And we all know what a Joke most of them are
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I have to agree with Bob, being from a Cop family ( me being the only one that didnt become a Cop ( Marines/PostalWorker)) its the our elected offices who make the Laws.. And we all know what a Joke most of them are
I never did blame the cops I know it comes from authority above their heads, but this is the point, the system as a whole sucks! People wanted for illegal activity should be taken off the street when they are encountered. Our state (Washington) is horribly lax and lenient on drunk drivers although they tout having very strict laws. They don't do any good if they aren't enforced and those convicted aren't punished accordingly.
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It's not the laws made so much as it is the money. If the original jurisdiction can't afford to or won't come get the guys, Washington can't just arrest them and hold them.

Pickup radius is determined by the severity of the original offense. Minor crimes, even minor felonies, aren't going to have nationwide pickup radii. Murder? Sure. A felony alcohol offense could be something (relatively) minor compared to violent offenses. Every jurisdiction has to say "How far are we willing to travel for this offender?" It takes at least 2 officers to go pick someone up, so you've got to take two officers off the road, plus pay their transportation costs, plus those of the offender. Do you want every jurisdiction to do that for every offense? Even warrants issued for unpaid parking tickets? It really does become an economic issue. That state or local budget pie is only so big, and you can only get so many slices out of it. If you want more services, you have to make the pie bigger.

Once they're driving out on a public road, they can be stopped for DUI, but law enforcement would have to know that they're out there, and if no one calls, how will they know?
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I recently(3 months ago) followed a driver who was hogging the road, driving erratically. She was veering into other lanes and others had to take to shoulder to avoid a coalition. A few time, she was diving 70 on the shoulder, almost hitting a couple bridge railings. I followed her called and State Police. Twenty minutes later, with her still running others off the road and NO State Police, I then called our local law enforcement who reacted swiftly. When she stopped at a Starbucks, driving over the curb; and two shrubs, I guess to get something to try and sober up, she was surrounded by 4 cruises. I, and another driver stayed to give our statements.
I have to say, our local Law Enforcement Officer are on top of things.

Last month I was served a summons to testify as a witness to her actions. So was the other guy who gave his statement. We'll be in court later this month to make sure she gets what's coming to her(if she shows up at all).

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November '08, may Daughter was hit head on by an intoxicated driver. Hit & Run. Thank God my Daughter wasn't hurt too bad. They were traveling very slow, as it was a congested area. Witnesses called the Law and followed the guy to a side street about a mile away. When State Police brought him back to the scene, he didn't realize he had been in an accident at all. There were beer cans, open and un-opened, that was thrown from his truck, in the street where the accident happened.
No drivers license. No insurance. No tags. No nothing.

Daughter's car was totaled. Had to buy another car out of pocket.
She's been to court 4 times in the last two years for this and nothing yet has been done to this guy. He either doesn't show up for court or his Lawyer states he didn't have enough time to review the case. Meanwhile, my Daughter has missed four days of work or school while this guy is most likely on the road again.


Sorry for the long post.
Thank you for going through the inconvenience of trying to keep this guy off the roads.
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