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Old 09-04-2006, 03:39 PM   #1
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My Rant - Pets and camping

The wife and I have four dogs that are our children and we always respect others at the CG. We had our two youngest with us this weekend and kept them under control.

Our neighbor across the street at the CG had there pet with them and at 11:00 pm Friday night I kept hearing the dog barking.

THEY TIED IT TO A TREE!!!!!!!!

Well I got mad due to the treatment of the dog and the wife raising H@@l cause she could not go to sleep and found the ranger to solve the problem.

short story take a dog to the cg and care for it and dont get mad at me for complaining.

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Old 09-04-2006, 05:23 PM   #2
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I know what you mean. Before our dog passed away she always accompanied us camping and was one of the family. When we went in she went too. If we were out she was always around us. She was never left outside alone and rarely left inside alone. When we did leave her we would sneak back to the trailer to see if she was barking. She was usually snoring so there were no problems leaving her alone inside for short periods. You did the right thing by reporting the incident to the ranger, both for your sake and the dog's.

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Old 09-09-2006, 09:47 AM   #3
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Old 09-13-2006, 05:22 PM   #4
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We also travel with four furry children, two Paps and two Poms. I could not agree more with what you, Mike and Kim have said about irresponsible pet owners at campgrounds. Some people just seem to not be wrapped too tightly when it comes to caring for their pets and respecting the rights of others to enjoy a campground.

I have camped for over thirty years in tents, van conversions, popups and travel trailers. My practice has always been to enjoy my camping experiences to the max, but in a reasonable manner and never to the detriment of the right of others to do the same. Sadly, there seem many folks out there for whom certain behaviors are a way of life. Some other folks, I believe, are simply unaware of how their behavior, or that of their children, impinges on other’s enjoyment of the camping experience.

I would like to see this thread keep going, with others joining in with their own comments. I believe that we can all learn from the perceptions of others. Anyone who has camped for any length of time has rants of his or her own. Here are a few of mine.

1) I find that there are some campground owners/mangers who don’t take care of business. Most campgrounds have quite reasonable rules, designed to ensure the comfort and safety of guests while promoting their enjoyment of the campground. I have a major problem with campground owners/managers who do nothing to maintain an environment that is consistent with their own rules. I strongly suspect that these individuals are either emotionally unable to confront others or are afraid they might loose repeat business, and a few dollars, by doing so. I wonder if they realize what their laissez-faire position ends up costing them in the long run?

2) There are folks who apparently fail to realize that campgrounds are public places and not their personal domain or back yard. Why do I suspect that reasonable and permissible campground behavior is not something they often pause to reflect upon, unless someone else is annoying them? To me, these are the folks who:

A)Allow their small children to roam all, or some portion of, the campground unsupervised. Personally, I believe that many allow their children to “go play,” perhaps with some kind of instruction to “behave yourself,” so that they can have some peace and quiet themselves. They obviously fail to realize that it is a law of nature that little children will immediately congregate in groups when left to their own devices and, having done so, will communicate at the top of their lungs. (Note that this behavior is most often exhibited in front of someone else’s campsite, seldom in front of their own. Little children have an instinctive grasp of the fact that mommy or daddy would have something to say about the noise.) On a more serious note, it scares the heck out of me to watch a group of unsupervised four to ~ nine year olds running around on bicycles or on foot in a strange environment while completely absorbed in their play. I have witnessed one accident and numerous close calls when these little ones have dashed across the road in front of oncoming cars or have darted around blind corners. (See H, below.) BTW, have you ever noticed that campground playgrounds are usually deserted?

B)Believe that turning their somewhat older children loose in the old golf car will generate feelings of goodwill and joviality. I guess that in their minds my level of goodwill and joviality will increase exponentially each time their offspring goes buzzing past my campsite while merrily “cruising” the campground, often loudly and with several friends hanging on for dear life. Not!

C)Think that their brand of music is the best and is, therefore, to be shared with all unenlightened fellow campers. To me that is like being trapped in a checkout line behind some yo-yo who is having a conversation on their cell phone.

D)Believe that it is absolutely OK to have a nice smoky campfire. That is even after they discover that the atmospheric and/or wind conditions are such that other campers, near and far, are passing out from smoke inhalation.

E)Have no concept of how far “quiet” conversations can carry in an open environment. Let’s not even mention family arguments, verbal spousal abuse and drunken drivel.

F)Have such poor command of the English language and, possibly, such lack of upbringing that they must use profanity and lurid expletives to punctuate their every utterance. Look at it this way. They have an obviously limited vocabulary since they keep repeating the same words, and they have to have picked up these not-so-quaint expressions somewhere, maybe during their early formative years.

G)Become intoxicated to the point of being disorderly, augmentative and pugnacious. Mind you, my wife and I have nothing against drinking and have been known to have few ourselves. (Purely for medicinal purposes, you understand.) However…

H)Operate motor vehicles when they have such a severe visual impairment that their driver’s license should be revoked. It is sad, but some happy campers obviously fall into this category. If you observe carefully, those with this unfortunate ocular conditions are quite easy to identify. They are the ones who are quite unable to see their speedometer clearly - not even to the extent of being able to distinguish between 5-10 mph and 25 or 30 mph!!!

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Old 09-13-2006, 06:51 PM   #5
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Excellent comments Richard!!


Thanks for the support and I for some reason think we think the same way.

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Old 09-13-2006, 07:30 PM   #6
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dimurrrw,

WOW,....Thanks for the RANT.
We are on the same page.

It starts my imagination going, thinking of the process of some folk's up-bringing. It must have been.......... Never mind!

Respect is what it is all about. I was raised that way. Some folks were not and you can't change that.

I have never had a bad experience while camping, at least not as of yet. I have heard horror stories though.

Thanks again.
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Old 09-13-2006, 07:38 PM   #7
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Richard, I could not have said it better myself. That ought to be rant of the year. Good post. I see you are from Charlottesville. Any comments on the Wahoos so far?
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Excellent comments Richard!!


Thanks for the support and I for some reason think we think the same way.

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Thanks, all, for the kind reviews.
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Old 09-15-2006, 03:23 PM   #10
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Totally agree with this thread. I have a no-longer-teenager who camps with us and she's free to come and go, but our dog stays with us either inside or outside. (He's a mini daschund so he's not a quiet barker either!)

It's been rare for us to encounter someone that won't shush their dog or at least take them inside once quiet time is past. Guess we're lucky!
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Old 09-15-2006, 04:51 PM   #11
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I totaly agree witht his thread. That being said, alot of you would not want to camp in places that we frequent. We have been spending a lot of time in dispersed camping areas (free) they are called staging areas for off road vehicals. All day long usually untill sunset there are quads, dirtbikes, dune buggys, just about every type of offroad vehical you can imagine running around, and they usually go slow around campers. It is in the mountans, in a beautiful setting and there are over 2000 miles of trails to ride on out there. At night everyone settles in cuts some firewood (it is leagle to get it out of the forrest there) most campers get a good fire going and most people just have generally a good party, visiting other campsites ect. There are generally fire works shows that some one puts on on Saturday nights. There are usually about 200 to 300 people there on any given weekend. It is ALOT of fun, but not most peoples way of camping.
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Old 09-17-2006, 09:26 AM   #12
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you did the right,but me i would go to his camper and ask him to let the dog inside he was one of the family to.
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We started fulltiming last October and the cat's adapting VERY slowly to life on a leash. My absolute horror is seeing a dog-walker approach us. It's obvious to anyone the cat's about to stroke out, yet on they come. Yes of course I stay away from any and all people, commotion, or animals. Invariably end up screaming "BACK AWAY FROM THE CAT!!!"
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The wife and I have four dogs that are our children and we always respect others at the CG. We had our two youngest with us this weekend and kept them under control.

Our neighbor across the street at the CG had there pet with them and at 11:00 pm Friday night I kept hearing the dog barking.

THEY TIED IT TO A TREE!!!!!!!!

Well I got mad due to the treatment of the dog and the wife raising H@@l cause she could not go to sleep and found the ranger to solve the problem.

short story take a dog to the cg and care for it and dont get mad at me for complaining.

Mike
Ugg... I hate barking dogs
I can also guess that if you walked by those campers house in their 'real life', that dog would either be barking at the window or from the backyard.
There is no reason for a dog to do that except from extreme boredom and neglect (ie: no discipline, no activities and no obedience training) from the owner.
Always remember, there is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners.
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Old 03-28-2011, 09:36 AM   #16
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Unfortunately, I doubt if many of the obnoxious camper types read these forums. Most on these boards are helpful and considerate.
Luckily, the really bad ones are few and far between. Most true campers are all looking for pretty much the same experience.
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Ugg... I hate barking dogs
I can also guess that if you walked by those campers house in their 'real life', that dog would either be barking at the window or from the backyard.
There is no reason for a dog to do that except from extreme boredom and neglect (ie: no discipline, no activities and no obedience training) from the owner.
Always remember, there is no such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners.
UMMMMM/ Guess I'm a bad dog owner. Our dog barks at cats, dogs and people passing the house(would you believe she only barks when she's inside?)We let her most of the time. But we DO NOT let her bark camping. She's a chihuahua so she's known for barking. We do have our limits. We Like her barking when someone comes up.
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There is no reason for a dog to do that except from extreme boredom and neglect
BS
Dogs are highly territorial. They bark at people they don't
recognize. We like to walk the back roads near our home.
We live on a fast road with no shoulder and cars ignore
the speed limit and often go 50-60 so we must walk
elsewhere.
There is a great little dead end road near us that has a
nice long steep hill to give us a good cardio work out
and help us get in shape for hiking in the mtns.
Problem is this dead end road has a couple farms and the
owners let their dogs run loose.
We were chased 1/4 mile yesterday.
Either we can't walk this public/tax dollar maintained
road or I have to carry a pistol or pepper spray.
And B4 you speak, you need to look up how expensive
the truly effective long range pepper sprays are.
A box of 9mm shells is cheaper!

Now let the flame war begin.....
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I often find myself pondering the level of class, or lack there of, of our "neighbors" in the campgrounds we frequent. While 99% of the folks we meet are great and would bend over backwards to help each other, you always have that 1% that ruin the enjoyment for everyone else! We camped a couple weekends ago and had a site 3 down from us with 4 large dogs. All they did was bark as they were chained to individual stakes.....
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Oh oh.....looks like I have been misunderstood again ;p
Please allow me to redeem myself.....
1. My comment did not mean that all owners of barking dogs are bad. As with anything there are limits. If you are like 'choice spot' and you allow your dogs to bark because you like to know when someone is approaching the house; that is not 'bad', it's your choice. (btw chihuahuas are so cute!!)
2. It's not BS Kydan . You said yourself the owners allow the dogs to run loose.
Therefore, bored and neglected dogs in bad need of some managment. I also have been scared to dead by dogs chasing me who were loose on a farm, and believe me when I say it's the owners fault. Any dog that is allowed to roam free should not exibit such behaviors, and most good farm dogs may be trained to bark when people approach, but it doesn't go any farther than that. Any dog that chases people needs 'doggy obedience 101', but sadly in such cases, there usually isn't a diligent owner around to provide it
There are alot of misconceptions about dogs. There are also many different levels of standards that people expect from their dogs.
Any dog can be trained to do almost anything if given the correct guidance; to accept bad behaviors from a dog under the misconception that it is only "normal dog behavior" is a mistake.
To be bothered at any time by constant barking is soooo annoying LOL. Our neighbours have an annoying barking dog and evertime it wakes me up at night, I dont wanna scream at the dog, I wanna scream at the owner who allows it.

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