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Old 10-10-2021, 07:55 PM   #21
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Doesnít apply to me. After I retired I no longer needed a passport and I let it expire. So, if I go to California I might have trouble getting back into the USA.
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:24 PM   #22
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i work for a retail store that is a stihl dealership and also sell ego products the more i learn about these items that run on batteries more i do like them.im still not for banning the sale gas run products i feel we should have the choice.
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I can guarantee it won't apply to golf course lawn mowers. Fighting forest fires without chainsaws? I see lots of exemptions coming. Not for you though.
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Batteries need charging. Where does that come from? Canít imagine the battery I would need to work my 25 ton log splitter.
What? No small car engine around to adapt? logs would split quicker too
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I can guarantee it won't apply to golf course lawn mowers. Fighting forest fires without chainsaws? I see lots of exemptions coming. Not for you though.
It won't be long before videos or photos of the Newsom mansion landscaping being done with gas powered equipment come out. Just like the photos of Newsom at the birthday dinner at a restaurant with no mask in direct violation of his own mask mandate, and the fact that his 12 year old daughter does not have the COVID vaccination that he has mandated for all 12+ age children attending school, public or private. It's clear he does not abide by the mandates that he imposes upon commoners. And that is not a political statement - it's a proven fact.
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What happens when a Cali resident simply goes to Nevada to buy his generator?
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What happens when a Cali resident simply goes to Nevada to buy his generator?
First he can actually buy a generator and the Sales Tax is 3% less on top of that.

Saves ~2% in AZ.

If they buy it in Oregon there's no Sales Tax.


Another facet to this law is the number of businesses that will just be moving to other States. Champion, for example, has a facility in Santa Fe Springs, CA won't be able to sell most of their products in that state.

Years ago a similar migration occurred when WA had an Inventory Tax. Many companies that had distribution centers here moved their operations to Sparks, NV

Life will continue and there will be generators running in campgrounds, even in CA. I even believe people will call friends in other states and ask them to bring them a generator from their state when they come to camp in CA.
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Batteries need charging. Where does that come from? Canít imagine the battery I would need to work my 25 ton log splitter.
The prohibition of gas powered log splitters might be on the next list...
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The law bans only the sale of those items, not possession or use of the items. Don't get me wrong, it's still a horrible law. The problem with California politics is that it migrates north and Oregon and Washington will soon follow. But yes, if motor homes are still legal to sell in California (and they will probably ban those too), I wonder if they will have to sell them without generators for those models that normally have factory installed generators?
Saw a report this morning which mentioned fossil fueled engines < 25 HP.
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The prohibition of gas powered log splitters might be on the next list...
If they have a gasoline engine less than 25 Hp they are already on the list as I understand.

Looked up a 35 Ton Log Splitter and it comes with a Gas Engine that puts out 6.5-6.8 Hp.


No doubt it will be banned but the good news, you can also buy electric powered log splitters that can be plugged into the grid ( or your bootlegged portable generator )
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And this includes GENERATORS! So if you live where the power is turned off as "precautionary" during High fire danger you won't be able to buy a generator for emergency power, very smart right?


If I could escape I would.
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For the future of our children and grandchildren and sustaining our technological way of life, something MUST change.

NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT, BUT A STATEMENT OF UNDISPUTABLE FACTS:
  • Burning fossil fuel pollutes the atmosphere.
  • Atmospheric Pollution causes human health issues
  • Atmospheric Pollution causes harm to the ecosystem
  • ICE engines contribute to atmospheric pollution
  • Fossil fuel is a non-renewable resource
  • Electricity can be produced without burning fossil fuel
  • The current electrical production industry is overly-reliant on fossil fuel
  • There are alternatives (Solar, Wind, Hydro, Geothermal, Atomic)
  • The current electrical grid does not have the capacity for more generation, transmission, or storage


We have built an unsustainable technological society powered by fossil fuel.

When a patient is bleeding to death, but needs reconstructive surgery , you STOP THE BLEEDING FIRST, so the patient will survive the surgery.

This "Ban" is an attempt to "stop the bleeding" as one state can not change the electricity generating industry alone. (Although credit be given to CARB for forcing improved emission standards across USA) It does however send a clear signal to industry that reliance on fossil fuel must decrease.
  1. Generation must move to sustainable sources
  2. Transmission and storage must be upgraded
This will not happen without pressure to do so.
BTW Electricity generation, storage, and transmission is INFRASTRUCTURE and it does not appear that we are all aligned on the need for this investment.

Bottom line:
Do we want to leave our children a sustainable world?
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NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT, BUT A STATEMENT OF UNDISPUTABLE FACTS:
Sorry, didn't get past this statement as you know what comes after is gonna be anything but.
This reminds me of a family I met at a NASCAR race who arrived in a small SUV pulling a popup. They were giving me grief about my much larger carbon footprint in using my fifth wheel, diesel truck, and two generators. AT A NASCAR RACE!!! I had to remind him of where he was and what he was doing as I stifled a belly laugh.
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Sorry, didn't get past this statement as you know what comes after is gonna be anything but.
This reminds me of a family I met at a NASCAR race who arrived in a small SUV pulling a popup. They were giving me grief about my much larger carbon footprint in using my fifth wheel, diesel truck, and two generators. AT A NASCAR RACE!!! I had to remind him of where he was and what he was doing as I stifled a belly laugh.
Everyone wants change to improve stuff, as long as it starts with someone else
It was a learning experience for you. Use their talking points the next time you encounter a camper with a Prevost or Foretravel rig.
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It was a learning experience for you. Use their talking points the next time you encounter a camper with a Prevost or Foretravel rig.
LOL! I don't think I could keep a straight face
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And this includes GENERATORS! So if you live where the power is turned off as "precautionary" during High fire danger you won't be able to buy a generator for emergency power, very smart right?


If I could escape I would.
I guess you'll have to get an "electric generator".
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For the future of our children and grandchildren and sustaining our technological way of life, something MUST change.

NOT A POLITICAL STATEMENT, BUT A STATEMENT OF UNDISPUTABLE FACTS:
  • Burning fossil fuel pollutes the atmosphere.
  • Atmospheric Pollution causes human health issues
  • Atmospheric Pollution causes harm to the ecosystem
  • ICE engines contribute to atmospheric pollution
  • Fossil fuel is a non-renewable resource
  • Electricity can be produced without burning fossil fuel
  • The current electrical production industry is overly-reliant on fossil fuel
  • There are alternatives (Solar, Wind, Hydro, Geothermal, Atomic)
  • The current electrical grid does not have the capacity for more generation, transmission, or storage


We have built an unsustainable technological society powered by fossil fuel.

When a patient is bleeding to death, but needs reconstructive surgery , you STOP THE BLEEDING FIRST, so the patient will survive the surgery.

This "Ban" is an attempt to "stop the bleeding" as one state can not change the electricity generating industry alone. (Although credit be given to CARB for forcing improved emission standards across USA) It does however send a clear signal to industry that reliance on fossil fuel must decrease.
  1. Generation must move to sustainable sources
  2. Transmission and storage must be upgraded
This will not happen without pressure to do so.
BTW Electricity generation, storage, and transmission is INFRASTRUCTURE and it does not appear that we are all aligned on the need for this investment.

Bottom line:
Do we want to leave our children a sustainable world?
So tell us, what's your plan for that oil burning Dynaquest?
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Sorry, didn't get past this statement as you know what comes after is gonna be anything but.
This reminds me of a family I met at a NASCAR race who arrived in a small SUV pulling a popup. They were giving me grief about my much larger carbon footprint in using my fifth wheel, diesel truck, and two generators. AT A NASCAR RACE!!! I had to remind him of where he was and what he was doing as I stifled a belly laugh.
Everyone wants change to improve stuff, as long as it starts with someone else

If banning the sale of small gas engines is all about reducing carbon footprint, what about all the rocket launches from Vandenberg AF Base (in CA of course).

Each launch burns 29,600 gallons or 112,184 Kilograms, with each Kg of fuel releasing 3 Kg of CO2, so each launch releases 336,552 Kg of CO2.

How long does it take for a small generator to burn a gallon of fuel?????

Space-X launched 26 times in 2020 and that doesn't count all the other launches from Vandenberg by other countries last year.

Usually it's the BIG polluters that get the attention but in this case it appears that the "little guys" (in this case little engines) will get all the attention while rockets dump tons at a time.

Oh yeah, most of those Space-X launches were to carry satellites into orbit so we can have uninterrupted Cell and Internet coverage, much of which is used for "Social Media".
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What about those of us pushing the far side of 70? I’m sure not going to split four cords of firewood every year with a maul and wedge.
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And are people going to be required to cut their grass manually, or buy horses. That place is a nightmare.
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