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Old 12-24-2019, 11:58 AM   #21
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agreed, the laws don't allow a vehicle to be towed while occupied, and if a tow truck arrived and started to 'hook up' your RV, you'd immediately move, on your own, anyway.... these stories may be raised from time-to-time, but they are just stories. RV's having issues and being towed to a shop is one thing, an RV being 'towed' simply because the owner won't 'move it' from a parking space is another - and highly doubtful. We've seen RVs and motorhomes that all seem to be decades old, and parked long-term in parking lots, which we all would suggest should be 'towed', and maybe they have been, but we've parked in a lot of places and those RVs are still parked there when we come, and when we leave, signage or not. It's not a public street, it's a private lot, and the laws are much different in those situations.
Back when I drove a tow truck I got a police call for an abandoned car parked in a city lot next tovfc a park. I found out from the cop that the guy who owns the car had been living in it and they had pulled the plates off it rwo da6s earlier. I aaked if he was inside cop said no. They had checked it. I had the car hooked up and was about to pull away when i looked in the rear view mirror I saw thar I had left my rear floodli 8ghts on and a face looking back at me from the rear window of the car!!!
Guy had slept through the cops banging on his windows and me hooking up!!! What woke him was my floodlights and the backup alarm!
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:21 PM   #22
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Another one to try is Cracker Barrel. I have stayed at many. Their very gracious..
The only problem with Cracker Barrel is very limited parking spaces, IMO. Granted though, I'd rather stay there then Walmart.
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Old 12-30-2019, 08:49 PM   #23
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The only problem with Cracker Barrel is very limited parking spaces, IMO. Granted though, I'd rather stay there then Walmart.
Cracker Barrel is our first choice...we call ahead to see if overnights are ok, when we arrive we always talk with the manager and 100% of the time they have given us a space by ourselves.
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Old 12-30-2019, 09:24 PM   #24
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We started staying in casnios. There is even secuity guys in cars watching the lot.
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Old 12-31-2019, 12:08 AM   #25
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while there are MANY of these 'questions' and MANY of these 'videos' online, and much to do about nothing conversations along these lines... most of us who have traveled a LOT know the real deal.

We have NEVER had any issue at ANY w*mt or any other big box store, especially the two hardware store chains, and have overnighted MANY, MANY times without problem, signage or not.
If you feel the need to run because you see a sign, then certainly do.
If you feel the need to call or see the manager, then certainly do.
If you don't, and you stay anyway, enjoy yourself... it's all good. Walmart does NOT care. Even their corporate website has addressed this very 'issue' that many folks have posed to them. While they do understand that many of their lots have these signs, and many cities and areas have different and various ordinances about 'parking overnight', they, themselves, do not have any issue with it, period.
Ordinances create the need for signs. Lot owners fall under the ordinances, and may/must then erect the signs. The authorities, though, are not in any way OBLIGATED to police those areas just because those signs are there. The signs are on PRIVATE property and NOT under the jurisdiction of the authorities. The only way the authorities get into any involvement within the parking lot is IF the owner/retail store manager CALLS for them, at least as it pertains to 'overnight parking'.

Does that mean that I want every camper, RV, or trailer to be parked in every w*mt or other parking lots every night? Of course not, but that's really not the reality of ANY of these discussions, it's usually only from a select few who 'believe' that RVs shouldn't 'overstay' their welcome, or 'disregard' signage or local ordinances, or are otherwise just fearful that 'they' would be jailed, or ticketed, for doing the same. No one goes to jail for parking overnight in a parking lot. Tickets are probably unrealistic as well. We all have at least 4 wheels - we can leave at any time, if asked.

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Very well put and spot on. Thanks for posting. So much BS on this subject.
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Old 12-31-2019, 12:57 AM   #26
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most of us who have traveled a LOT know the real deal.

We have NEVER had any issue at ANY w*mt or any other big box store, especially the two hardware store chains, and have overnighted MANY, MANY times without problem, signage or not.
If you feel the need to run because you see a sign, then certainly do.
If you feel the need to call or see the manager, then certainly do.
If you don't, and you stay anyway, enjoy yourself... it's all good. Walmart does NOT care.
agree wholeheartedly...

DON"T expect to overnight at any Walmart in any destination city like Orlando, Miami, etc...
Use your head and stay for 6-8 maybe 9 hours and move on wherever you can find a place to park for an "emergency" stay. Don't put out your slides and don't build a campfire and you will be fine 99% of the time. Stay on the outer edges of any place where you feel safe. Arrive late and leave early. Most all interstate truck stops have a spot in the parking lot... just don't hog up the all the customer parking spots.
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Old 12-31-2019, 09:11 AM   #27
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I have to come on line to get my camping fix. My wife told me that I can't hang out in the camper with the heater running when it is 5 degrees outside. So much for my heated man cave. Now I have to sit in the living room and have her constantly trying to find something for me to do. I guess that retirement means I now work 24/7 for her. I love her dearly but doing nothing is fun sometimes.
I know exactly what you mean. You are now officially owned as a yes dear and slave to her whims.
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Old 12-31-2019, 09:37 AM   #28
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Ordinances create the need for signs. Lot owners fall under the ordinances, and may/must then erect the signs. The authorities, though, are not in any way OBLIGATED to police those areas just because those signs are there. The signs are on PRIVATE property and NOT under the jurisdiction of the authorities. The only way the authorities get into any involvement within the parking lot is IF the owner/retail store manager CALLS for them, at least as it pertains to 'overnight parking'.
This is not accurate. Public areas, like these lots, are considered quasi-public. They are private property and privately controlled, yet have government services, like traffic and ordinance enforcement. In many situations, the ordinance cannot be enforced without signage advising the public of the ordinance.
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Very well put and spot on. Thanks for posting. So much BS on this subject.
funny, too, as we just 'stayed' overnight at W*mt in Brewton, AL on the return trip from PC BEACH RV RESORT this past week. Nobody much around, as we parked 'back' in the area toward the rear of the store, on the 'automotive' oil change side.... plenty of space near the grass edge, no vehicle traffic, nobody cared...very nice overnite.

now, funny again, though, as there are quite a few here who post that they only park at 'CrackerBarrels' - the one we stopped at here for breakfast just off I65 south of Montgomery has signs stating 'NO OVERNIGHT PARKING', and those signs are right in front/beside the rv parking lanes. Who knew?!
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while there are MANY of these 'questions' and MANY of these 'videos' online, and much to do about nothing conversations along these lines... most of us who have traveled a LOT know the real deal.

We have NEVER had any issue at ANY w*mt or any other big box store, especially the two hardware store chains, and have overnighted MANY, MANY times without problem, signage or not.
If you feel the need to run because you see a sign, then certainly do.
If you feel the need to call or see the manager, then certainly do.
If you don't, and you stay anyway, enjoy yourself... it's all good. Walmart does NOT care. Even their corporate website has addressed this very 'issue' that many folks have posed to them. While they do understand that many of their lots have these signs, and many cities and areas have different and various ordinances about 'parking overnight', they, themselves, do not have any issue with it, period.
Ordinances create the need for signs. Lot owners fall under the ordinances, and may/must then erect the signs. The authorities, though, are not in any way OBLIGATED to police those areas just because those signs are there. The signs are on PRIVATE property and NOT under the jurisdiction of the authorities. The only way the authorities get into any involvement within the parking lot is IF the owner/retail store manager CALLS for them, at least as it pertains to 'overnight parking'.

Does that mean that I want every camper, RV, or trailer to be parked in every w*mt or other parking lots every night? Of course not, but that's really not the reality of ANY of these discussions, it's usually only from a select few who 'believe' that RVs shouldn't 'overstay' their welcome, or 'disregard' signage or local ordinances, or are otherwise just fearful that 'they' would be jailed, or ticketed, for doing the same. No one goes to jail for parking overnight in a parking lot. Tickets are probably unrealistic as well. We all have at least 4 wheels - we can leave at any time, if asked.

enjoy ! : )
Not everything you’ve stated is true. First of all, ordinances can, and usually do, apply to private property. Every place I’ve lived (except California, of course) prohibits living in a vehicle on your own property, and many prohibit doing so except in designated (and probably taxed) areas. Enforcement is a different issue.

Walmart’s policy, whether published, is to leave the overnight parking up to the store manager. The Walmart not five miles from where I’m at right now prohibits overnight parking because of jerks that were stealing water from the store’s garden center. Other stores have had their parking lots torn up by class As and semis.

I read a blog about a diesel pusher that was towed for $875.00 - the driver did not ask for permission and when he returned a few hours later, it was towed.

ALWAYS ask, every time.
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Like so many other privileges we’ve had, abuse will eventually take them away. I get it, there are occasional emergencies or circumstances beyond our control that can put us in a parking lot overnight. But I dare say the majority of those using the lots are there for a different set of reasons. As RVers we should show the same respect we expect at campgrounds. That means don’t mooch!
I already anticipate the outrage from some who will say it’s OK to take advantage of free unauthorized parking because that’s what our society has fallen into.
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...maybe this subject is riddled with disagreement because there are some of us who are just more inclined to 'follow the law', including every sign we see, even on private property, or places where others apparently haven't paid it much attention(other RVrs)... and there are those of us who take the other more 'relaxed' stance that these things are for a greater purpose - to simply prevent the area, the property owner, the stores, from being overwhelmed by those who decide to use 'their' parking lot as a camp, long-term place to live, or, in most case for these signs - COMMERCIAL big rig parking.

My wife is like the former, as she would 'never' on her own park under a 'no parking' sign. I, on the other hand, decided after the first couple of w*mt 'overnights', with no issues, to treat these signs as a deterrent for the big rigs, and those determined to make this their place of residence, not for us w*mt customers who just happen to need a easy 'overnight' place to park while traveling. It's not let us down so far, including the others, like HD and LOWES, and various other CB, Cabellas, etc.

But, if it's not something that you can 'stomach' yourself, then drive down the road to the rv park or campground and enjoy yourself... it's all good - some of us w*mt overnighters do that from time-to-time, too! : )
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...and, on the other hand, as a comparison, there are some who 'frown' on certain things others of us do, and yet take their own liberties in other ways - we just returned from PC BEACH for a while, enjoyed the beach, but the SIGNS that everyone is exposed to in order to reach the beach say 'NO PETS'.... and yet how many folks do you think actually paid any attention to that sign, or how the rest of us feel about having a 'pet free' beach to enjoy, and bring their BIG DOGS anyway!? Many of them. Crazy.
They are not apologetic in any way, and really don't care if 'you' like their dog, or not. They have no regard for 'your' enjoyment, because, after all, pets are treated more 'fairly' than people, apparently.

Sorry, but pets on beaches that certainly say 'NO PETS', should not be there. Period.
Or their owners.
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The part that bothers me on a public is someone drinking and smoking. Do what you want in your car or trailer please do not expose me to these chemicals cause the privileged smokers think they are owed this right. As far as drinking on the beach, says no, that is what it means. If it is licensed it is legal.
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...and, on the other hand, as a comparison, there are some who 'frown' on certain things others of us do, and yet take their own liberties in other ways - we just returned from PC BEACH for a while, enjoyed the beach, but the SIGNS that everyone is exposed to in order to reach the beach say 'NO PETS'.... and yet how many folks do you think actually paid any attention to that sign, or how the rest of us feel about having a 'pet free' beach to enjoy, and bring their BIG DOGS anyway!? Many of them. Crazy.
They are not apologetic in any way, and really don't care if 'you' like their dog, or not. They have no regard for 'your' enjoyment, because, after all, pets are treated more 'fairly' than people, apparently.

Sorry, but pets on beaches that certainly say 'NO PETS', should not be there. Period.
Or their owners
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A wee bit hypocritical no?
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The very first time we tried to stay overnight in a Walmart we got approached by a scuzzbag wanting money, gas, whatever...he wasn't a homeless person either...we left. Not that it couldn't have happen anywhere but we pay to overnight now.
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You sound exactly like my Dad. If someone is smoking within a half mile of him, he gets upset, confronts the smoker, and pretty much ruins everyone's day.
So I'll tell you what I tell him. They have a legal right to smoke outside, where it is not posted for no smoking. Outside is a very large place to be enjoyed by all kinds of people. If you don't want to be around it, move somewhere else, but don't bother other folks who have a right to smoke outside if they want to. As far as drinking (assuming you mean alcohol), as long as folks don't force you to imbibe, why do you care what's in their Solo cups?
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We started staying in casnios. There is even secuity guys in cars watching the lot.
Many of the casinos we overnight at on our way south have shuttle service. At the Wild horse casino in Pendleton Oregon they drive around looking for passengers and at one time the driver asked us if we had any garbage he could dispose of for us.
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If the Walmart’s don’t allow overnight camping it’s usually because the camp sights in area are complaining. Although campers can ruin it them selves. I’ve seen people dump there black tank in the rain sewers, detach there tow vehicle and just leave their trailer for days. Even seen people stay for weeks and months in the parking lots. The old saying that give an inch they will take a mile always seems to come into effect. It’s a privilege to stay there so don’t ruin it for everyone else
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With any group of people, you are going to have a few bad ones.
I personally have never seen the abuses spoken of. We have stayed overnight at several 'free' spots (Walmart, CB, Cabellas, etc) when travelling. I say 'free', as we usually spend more $$ in the store than the cost if a night at an RV park. But we stay because of the convenience when we just need a short overnight break in a long, time sensitive, trip.
I figure if any of these spots are being abused, as some claim, the establishments are allowing it by not doing anything about it.
I have several friends that work part time at the local Walmart we frequent when home. There are always numerous RVs there. I asked my friends about any problems with RVers. They said they rarely have any problems, and RVers for the most part are great. When they do have someone who abuses the privilege of staying, Walmart sends the security guy out to talk to them. If that doesn't go well, they call the police. Problem solved.
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If the Walmart’s don’t allow overnight camping it’s usually because the camp sights in area are complaining. Although campers can ruin it them selves. I’ve seen people dump there black tank in the rain sewers, detach there tow vehicle and just leave their trailer for days. Even seen people stay for weeks and months in the parking lots. The old saying that give an inch they will take a mile always seems to come into effect. It’s a privilege to stay there so don’t ruin it for everyone else
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If the Walmart’s don’t allow overnight camping it’s usually because the camp sights in area are complaining. Although campers can ruin it them selves. I’ve seen people dump there black tank in the rain sewers, detach there tow vehicle and just leave their trailer for days. Even seen people stay for weeks and months in the parking lots. The old saying that give an inch they will take a mile always seems to come into effect. It’s a privilege to stay there so don’t ruin it for everyone else
I don't have a dog in this hunt... in Texas, I need air conditioning and don't carry a generator but how do you know this? "If the Walmart’s don’t allow overnight camping it’s usually because the camp sights in area are complaining."
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