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Old 09-25-2011, 08:02 AM   #81
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Disgusting. Your "somewhere" is likely just the place someone's little kids will set up their playland the next day.

I will think of you next time I step into that mysterious mud puddle in the middle of an otherwise dry campsite.

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None of these posts have changed how I feel about grey dumping. I never dump a complete grey tank anywhere except a dump site. If I need to dump 5 gallons in a bucket and dump that bucket off in the woods somewhere to get me through to the next day when I leave I will continue to do so without a 2nd thought.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:41 AM   #82
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While a disgusting practice, here is the EPA's definition of Gray Water and applicable federal regulations. While the article specifically addresses ship discharges, the definition and logic is presented.

Regulation of ship pollution in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
First sentence on Fed. regs.

Under current federal law, graywater is not defined as a pollutant, nor is it generally considered to be sewage.
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Old 09-25-2011, 08:52 AM   #83
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From the WI DNR ...

Waste water

Please collect and dispose of dish and hand washing water at the sanitary dumping station or in campground toilets. It is against health and safety rules to dump this "gray water" on the ground.
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GREY water is from LAUNDRY and SHOWERS.

BLACK water is from KITCHEN sinks and TOILETS.

TRAILERS COMBINE THESE 2 SOURCES MAKING IT UNLAWFUL TO DUMP GREY.

THERE ARE STATES THAT ALLOW USE OF GREY WATER FROM LAUNDRY AND SHOWERS FOR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION BUT ONLY IN LOW TRAFFIC AREAS DUE TO THE POSSIBLE RISK OF HUMAN ILLNESS FROM BACTERIA. IT IS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT BIODEGRADABLE SOAPS AND NO HARSH CHEMICALS ARE USED.

WATER FROM KITCHEN SINKS AND TOILETS IS CONSIDERED SEWAGE AND SHOULD BE SENT TO WATER TREATMENT PLANTS.
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this state recommends effluent from home sewer plants be used as irrigation rather than discharging into a ditch. this is treated though (unless ur treatment plant isn't functioning).
Last place i camped, was there a week..no sewer hookup. i was the only one that hauled the grey water. never saw anyone discharge either. there were no shore facilities for toilet or bathing. dump station wasn't friendly to trailers. limbs made a trip there (for trailers) almost impossible.
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It should be pointed out that the regulated allowances to use grey water for irrigation on your own private property is just that, on your own private property, not unregulated dumping into common public areas. As a land owner the park owner or the state is free to regulate what you do on their land beyond state or federal laws and regulations.

To those dumpers; If you think it would be objectionable for everyone to routinely, 24/7/365, dump on the ground, why would you think it was ok for just you?

It is about being lazy, nothing more. Put down the beer, get off your butt and do the right thing.
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GREY water is from LAUNDRY and SHOWERS.

BLACK water is from KITCHEN sinks and TOILETS.

TRAILERS COMBINE THESE 2 SOURCES MAKING IT UNLAWFUL TO DUMP GREY.

THERE ARE STATES THAT ALLOW USE OF GREY WATER FROM LAUNDRY AND SHOWERS FOR LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION BUT ONLY IN LOW TRAFFIC AREAS DUE TO THE POSSIBLE RISK OF HUMAN ILLNESS FROM BACTERIA. IT IS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT BIODEGRADABLE SOAPS AND NO HARSH CHEMICALS ARE USED.

WATER FROM KITCHEN SINKS AND TOILETS IS CONSIDERED SEWAGE AND SHOULD BE SENT TO WATER TREATMENT PLANTS.
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In our state you need a filter field beyond the tank and at least 175 feet of open swale, grass or vegetation, beyond the filter before it leaves your property. I have a 25' by 40' by three feet thick two sided sand filter and 350' of swale and still do not feel good about discharging into a creek.
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this state recommends effluent from home sewer plants be used as irrigation rather than discharging into a ditch. this is treated though (unless ur treatment plant isn't functioning).
Last place i camped, was there a week..no sewer hookup. i was the only one that hauled the grey water. never saw anyone discharge either. there were no shore facilities for toilet or bathing. dump station wasn't friendly to trailers. limbs made a trip there (for trailers) almost impossible.
sounds like someone needs to take some shears to some limbs.
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Disgusting. Your "somewhere" is likely just the place someone's little kids will set up their playland the next day.

I will think of you next time I step into that mysterious mud puddle in the middle of an otherwise dry campsite.

Good people do good even when nobody is looking.
Lol! How does my dumping 5 gallons of soap water in the woods end up a "mysterious puddle in the middle of an otherwise dry campsite"?

Unless you collect all your waste from washing your car or RV you are just as guilty of dumping grey water as the person who dumps some from their RV. Now where do you think the grey water from washing your car/RV goes? Most likely in the streets where all the children play. Do you know what will be washed with the grey water from your driveway? Oil and other petroleum products which have been proven to cause cancer.
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GREY water is from LAUNDRY and SHOWERS.

BLACK water is from KITCHEN sinks and TOILETS.

TRAILERS COMBINE THESE 2 SOURCES MAKING IT UNLAWFUL TO DUMP GREY.
Really? If your camper combines the two you must have a rather unigue/older camper? I've never seen a TT combine the black and grey water into the same tank.
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Yes, REALLY, The two tanks have a common discharge pipe don't they? The discharge of the grey water is contaminated by the last black water discharge.

With illness and disease it is the things you cannot see that hurt you.

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Really? If your camper combines the two you must have a rather unigue/older camper? I've never seen a TT combine the black and grey water into the same tank.
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How does 200 campers a day EVERYDAY of the year not become a problem? I mean, if you get a free pass to dump as you please that means everyone else can too.

Your grey water flows thru the same pipe that black water flows over, treat it as you would black water. [moderator edit]
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Lol! How does my dumping 5 gallons of soap water in the woods end up a "mysterious puddle in the middle of an otherwise dry campsite"? Please don't exaggerate in your answers, it really questions your credibility.

Unless you collect all your waste from washing your car or RV you are just as guilty of dumping grey water as the person who dumps some from their RV. Now where do you think the grey water from washing your car/RV goes? Most likely in the streets where all the children play. Do you know what will be washed with the grey water from your driveway? Oil and other petroleum products which have been proven to cause cancer.

Some people are standing on very unstable soap boxes in this thread

This was a good thread until people starting acting other peoples characters
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Really? If your camper combines the two you must have a rather unigue/older camper? I've never seen a TT combine the black and grey water into the same tank.
I think what he meant was that on most trailers, the kitchen sink waste goes into our grey tanks; and that according to him kitchen waste is black waste.
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This thread has become pretty preachy now. Lots of mother hens telling the rest of the world what they do and do not approve of. I feel like I am in a discussion of the BAL tire leveler or something.
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This thread has become pretty preachy now. Lots of mother hens telling the rest of the world what they do and do not approve of. I feel like I am in a discussion of the BAL tire leveler or something.
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THE STATES THAT ALLOW GREY WATER USAGE FOR IRRIGATION HAVE STRICT GUIDELINES IN PLACE THIS WATER MUST NOT COME IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH HUMANS OR ANY EDIBLE PLANTS AS THE POSSIBILTY OF SPREADING VIRUSES AND BACTERIA IS HIGH.

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I think what he meant was that on most trailers, the kitchen sink waste goes into our grey tanks; and that according to him kitchen waste is black waste.
Maybe he did. I took it that he meant the grey and black were combined into one tank. Either way I would disagree what he says, even though he has every right to say it and not be called names
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I am new to TT camping and use this forum to seek good insight to the proper use of all my systems that came with the TT. I went for a five day trip over labor day it was only the 3rd trip with our new TT. This is the first time that we use the black or grey systems, and I found myself as i checked the levels of thinking that i may need to get a portable tank because of our useage. As i discussed this with a friend we were camping with he said just run your hose over to the edge of the trees, and let it go but dont let the park people see you do it they frown on it. That made me think that if i have to be sneaky about it do i want to do it.
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Yes, I realized after I had a fit and reacted. OOPS! I have never blogged before and now I realize it is a reply to the thread and not to an individual. Sorry and thanks for the information.
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And yet nobody has addresed the issue if watering lawns and creating high phosphorous runoff, or washing a vehicle or any number of other far more harmful water usage practices, like swimming in a lake! You are infecting that lake with coliform bacteria with that swimming! Run for the hills!.

As I said very early in the thread, I don't have a gray water tank, I have a sink that drains into a bucket outside... We brush teeth and wash hands in the sink... We use dr. Brommers Castile soap (the peppermint oil flavor actually) for washing. I have no guilt or regret in using some of this water to douse the campfire each night... We may fill a 5gal bucket over the course of a three day weekend. Seems silly to use fresh water to douse a fire when all that is in our "dirty" water is biodegradable soap and dirt dirt, soil particulate.

Its not like I'm running a garbage disposal onto the surface of the campsite - though from some of the posts here you'd think this is what's happening all over.

I have a hard time believing anyone in an enthusiasts forum to be intentionally and deliberately destructive to nature or the recreation sport, so personally I try to give these ppl the benefit of the doubt and assume the best of intentions and actions. I think people who care about this hobby probably think before they act and use sound judgment on a case by case basis.
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The reason we all come on this forum is because not one of us knows all the answers.
We all need help/advice on certain subjects and there always seems to be good, positive support given here =]

Then we have this thread/topic in which this is not the case, as it seems that some people don't want to educate themselves.
I however do, and find this topic interesting, and have learned alot on this subject via some of the helpful replies and my own searches.
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