With the banning of natural gas cooking appliances

[kamper00]

I wonder if anywhere down the line it will affect the RV industry with propane??

[chriscowles]

Originally Posted by kamper00

I wonder if anywhere down the line it will affect the RV industry with propane??

Banned where?

[OldGal3]

Originally Posted by chriscowles

Banned where?

I'm not going to post any links because they are mostly one sided, but do a search and you will find articles - lots of articles.

To the OP, yes, I believe it will, but not in my life time.

[chriscowles]

Those bans are in new residential and commercial construction. It will be a long time before that reaches mobile vehicles, if it ever does.

[1100mike]

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[aceinspp]

Yep got to be true its on the inter net. Later RJD

[KRMann]

Originally Posted by 1100mike

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That's so true..

[TitanMike]

Banning natural gas appliances etc makes no sense. Unused natural gas from oilfields is just flared off and wasted. Banning it's use in cities and towns dies nothing to reduce "carbon emissions".

Isn't it ironic how not so many years ago Natural Gas was being hyped be the "eco nuts" as the way to fuel cars, trucks, and buses as well as run electric power plants.

[Robbie D. Camper]

Yes. Yes it is “nuts”.

[Reverse_snowbird]

Since burning propane doesn't produce methane like natural gas does, a ban on propane appliances wouldn't make much sense.

They seem to be concerned about the level of methane in houses from natural gas stoves, but I'm not sure I buy that.

[NavyLCDR]

Originally Posted by Reverse_snowbird

Since burning propane doesn't produce methane like natural gas does, a ban on propane appliances wouldn't make much sense.

They seem to be concerned about the level of methane in houses from natural gas stoves, but I'm not sure I buy that.

Since when is common sense a requirement for anything the government does? There is a city in California that has banned the construction of any new gas stations and the installation of any new gas pumps. California already has a state law that bans the sale of small gasoline powered engines in 2024 (think lawn mowers and generators) and the sale of all internal combustion engines in 2035.

It really would not surprise me at all to see a ban of propane in some locations.

[W5CRE]

Banning Natural Gas as a fuel source is illegal in most of "Fly Over Country". You'll find this primarily on the west coast and north east and there's a nest of nuts in Colorado to be concerned about. Let's just hope the infection doesn't take hold.

[WIAframers]

I work in the electric utility industry, and there is certainly a movement afoot by certain environmental and political groups that burning any carbon fuel is bad and must be eliminated. They want to electrify residential and commercial heating as well as transportation, while at the same time shuttering every coal, oil, and natural gas power plant. I suppose in the long run they are right. In the short term it is not realistic. Which is not to say change isn't occurring. Even in the Midwest where coal has been king for decades, there are huge numbers of large and small scale solar projects under development, some with battery storage. It's a challenge to the industry to learn how maintain the expected level of "always on" reliability as the resource mix shifts to renewable resources that may or may not produce energy depending on the whims of mother nature.

[NavyLCDR]

Originally Posted by WIAframers

They want to electrify residential and commercial heating as well as transportation, while at the same time shuttering every coal, oil, and natural gas power plant. I suppose in the long run they are right. In the short term it is not realistic.

I expect that everyone in America will be paying at least double for energy in the next 2 years and most will be facing rolling blackouts due to lack of electrical generation capability.

[ARhappycamper]

Oh man ! I hope I live long enough to see how them idiots are gonna electrically heat all the homes in the frigid areas that stay below 32*F or even below 0 for months ! Will it be windmills, solar arrays, or coal fired steam stations !!!

[asr524]

Originally Posted by ARhappycamper

Oh man ! I hope I live long enough to see how them idiots are gonna electrically heat all the homes in the frigid areas that stay below 32*F or even below 0 for months ! Will it be windmills, solar arrays, or coal fired steam stations !!!

Its called baseboard heaters and they suck

[Platokidd]

Originally Posted by 1100mike

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True! And guess who controls most of the worlds graphite supply...




China
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ze-2021-12-15/

[DougW]

I think the answer to electricity generation capacity is Nuclear. We just need to figure out a way to handle the waste. The safety has actually been excellent with nuclear plants, there are hundreds of them around the world and I only recall 2 major accidents, one of which was caused by a tsunami and Chernobyl we will probably never know the real cause.

Of course we all realize the Grid will need to be stronger and better able to handle breakdowns, that needs to happen no matter where the electric comes from.

[TitanMike]

Originally Posted by DougW

I think the answer to electricity generation capacity is Nuclear. We just need to figure out a way to handle the waste. The safety has actually been excellent with nuclear plants, there are hundreds of them around the world and I only recall 2 major accidents, one of which was caused by a tsunami and Chernobyl we will probably never know the real cause.

Of course we all realize the Grid will need to be stronger and better able to handle breakdowns, that needs to happen no matter where the electric comes from.

Remember Three Mile Island?

That said I agree that Nuclear should be in the mix. As for waste, there are viable options. Unfortunately the political obstacles are numerous.

[tomkatb]

We currently live in Ohio. When the house was built natural gas was not available.

Thus, we have a heat pump. Dayton is about as far north you can get to use a heat pump.

A bad month here our electricity hits $500. Up north likely over $1000.

Again. The folks proposing these bans are ignorant of the unintended consequences.

How do you figure solar or wind will work when it rains or no wind without natural gas.

We will need double the electricity in homes. I wonder where it will come from?