27hfs patio cable kit?

[meandmylabs]

Real problem with using cables on a ramp not designed for it is you are supporting the deck only in two places on the extreme left and right edges as opposed to entire bottom edge as it was designed. Reinforced door has internal strut to add strength. If you want a bowed door, use this idea.

[northstar1960]

Originally Posted by meandmylabs

Real problem with using cables on a ramp not designed for it is you are supporting the deck only in two places on the extreme left and right edges as opposed to entire bottom edge as it was designed. Reinforced door has internal strut to add strength. If you want a bowed door, use this idea.

looks like quite a few have used this idea without adverse effects . what documentation do you have on the ramp doors being different other then a dealer saying so ?

[oldgold]

Originally Posted by meandmylabs

Real problem with using cables on a ramp not designed for it is you are supporting the deck only in two places on the extreme left and right edges as opposed to entire bottom edge as it was designed. Reinforced door has internal strut to add strength. If you want a bowed door, use this idea.

I would think that the door should be designed for whatever weight the toy hauler garage would hold. Ours I believe is 2000lbs. I don't have the patio kit, but I think I remember them being a 450 or 500 lb weight limit. Which is probably to account for what you're saying. As a ramp, if XLR design things correctly it should hold a "toy" with a weight of 2000. As a patio, it would be less due to cables and safety. I'd be curious to hear from the XLR guys. I wouldn't think it would be a whole different door though.

[R3Jones]

The VIP deck has additional reinforcement per the XLR General manager. See quote below.




-R.Jones
Nitro 31FQSL

[northstar1960]

Originally Posted by R3Jones

The VIP deck has additional reinforcement per the XLR General manager. See quote below.

Attachment 90926


-R.Jones
Nitro 31FQSL

No where is patio door shown in the snippet you shared .it does state that no doors have plywood in them and they are all composite .with a sheet of aluminum installed on the inside on vip doors for things like table and chairs .that can be taken care of very easy with another piece of aluminum or a rug for that matter
Try Again

[northstar1960]

anyway you look at it 2500 for a extra thin sheet of aluminum is not warrantied . still see no issue with creating your own patio door with an existing ramp door

[R3Jones]

Not trying to argue. Just stating facts from the factory. Take it or leave it.


-R.Jones
Nitro 31FQSL

[egladden]

I was going to do the same thing so I spoke with Lippert and Forest River and was told the patio door is structurally built to take the weight and if you look at one that has the factory patio system there is more springs on the bottom of one that is not rated for the patio system. I still think it would work if it is used wit just two people on it much more than that it would probably distort the door.


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[northstar1960]

Originally Posted by R3Jones

Not trying to argue. Just stating facts from the factory. Take it or leave it.


-R.Jones
Nitro 31FQSL

nothing to argue about . fact is the doors are the same . and the statement of there being an extra sheet of aluminum in there seems fishy at best . As a sheet of aluminum will not do much if anything to prevents dents , maybe a 1/4 "sheet of it . So we are still back at square one
Having dealt with FR employees on these units their knowledge of them are less then the people who actually own them . just like when the FR xlr person told me there was only one large grey tank when in fact there are two .
you bring no proof but only an FR employee that probally does not truly know himself

Guess i'll need to cal lippert myself

[egladden]

I agree I did talk to lippert to get my info on the door one of the people I talked with at Forest River told me it was the same door and when I called back I was told is wasn't. I had a 29hfs that I wanted to do that to but I traded up for a 425 Thunderbolt with the patio system and when I walk on it I can tell a difference plus I think the doors on the 27 and the 29 are rated for a 1000 lbs and my new 425 is rated at 1600 lbs it is a foot longer so it would have to have more support in it because if it was the same structure bring longer the capacity would be less than 1000 lbs bring longer.


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[northstar1960]

egladden
i agree with the bigger longer door it would feel different underfoot . now can you tell the difference from a 425 without the patio system ?

[egladden]

When I walk up the ramp on the 425 and when I would walk up the 29hfs the 425 feels more solid than the 29HFS. But again I think the basic door should still hold 500-600 lbs set up as a patio.


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[oldgold]

I think we all just like to argue . But at least this is constructive and not over a F150. Lmao

[egladden]

I don't want argue but what I did was take two jack stands put on each side where the cables go and then walked around on the ramp and it felt fine but I could feel flex in the ramp and I don't feel that in my 425. These are all my personal opinions and self test I have done. I always like to read any thread on things i encounter or mods I am considering just to get ideas and what their experiences have been when they make changes.
My suggestion would be to block up the ramp where the cables would attach and you are satisfied how it feels I would go for it.
So a little insight Ian 6'1" and weigh 256 lbs and rude a street glide so I am sure I would cause more flex than the average man.


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[oldgold]

egladden,
What is the weight rating inside the toy area on the AMPs? It appears that all of them have bigger garages.

[egladden]

3000 lbs


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[breezyhillfarm]

What about some steel strapping on the underside (outside) of the ramp going from edge to edge? Would that work? It would be cheap.


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[WolfWhistle]

The issue with denting is about pounds per sqaure inch and the issue is the possibility of damaging the ramp by flexing it down in the middle (top to bottom) to the point that it can't spring back to its original shape.

When loading toys, the bottom of the ramp its supported across its width by the ground, but when supported by cables only the edges are supported.

If you put enough weight on the ramp at a sharp point it will dent the ramp. And, if you put too much weight on the ramp you could cause it to bow to a point of not being able to spring back. I would bet that a 950# Wing with a 225# rider only puts a little over half of that on the ramp at any point and that weight is spread over the tire patches (guessing 8 square inches) or, about 160 pounds per square inches on ramp at each of two points.

Consider a woman in heels can put between 1 and 4 tons of pressure (pounds per square inch) on the surface and certainly will do some damage. I would bet a 225# man sitting in a chair could put a ton of pressure on the surface as well.

So, care will have to be exercised; common sense needs to be used.

But, for me I will eventually get the cable mounts made and get it done. I will try to use common sense and if I can't or don't; I will expect to pay serious dollars for a new ramp door.

[rebel29144]

So I guess the real question here is , can you use the existing ramp or do you have to replace it, doesn't seem to be an definite answer here

[oldgold]

Originally Posted by egladden

3000 lbs


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Do you think the difference between the two ramps is just the difference of the hyperlite or reg XLR vs a Thunderbolt?